IBM families ask "why?"

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  1. jelloshotsrule macrumors G3

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    i posted this in the ibm thread in community, and realized it'd be better suited here probably

    http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/15/opinion/15HERB.html


     
  2. themadchemist macrumors 68030

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    That is a heart-wrenching story...

    At what cost do we receive our fancy new gadgets, our faster chips, our modern toys...? What price in lives and health is paid for technological progress?

    I am honestly questioning whether I should buy a G5 now, and endorse what is most likely a terrible, disgusting, unforgiveable negligence on the part of IBM.
     
  3. rueyeet macrumors 65816

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    I suspect that there's a heckuva lot we'd never buy, watch, listen to, endorse, or vote for if we really knew the full stories on everything in our society. You have to wonder if Apple is aware of the East Fishkill birth defects as well....
     
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    I haven't read the book but i've seen a doco based on that topic. Basically IBM's German branch (forgot name) supplied punchcard machines to the Nazi's to accurately count how many Jewish people were in Germany at the time.
     
  5. wdlove macrumors P6

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    This is trully filled with sad heart wrenching stories. I would hope that IBM would come forward to compensate these victims and their families. Thye need to develope protective gear for thos that work with this chemical!
     
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    Most importantly compare the defect rate with the rest of the population in that area of NY.
     
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    and in the same age group, since age of the mother does affect the frequency of birth defects.
     
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    Good point. I read about that recently. The article I read says that after about 30 the chance of birth defect goes up dramatically and continues to go up until the mother is no longer capable of having children. From what I understand this is because the female body uses up all the good eggs early in it's life and as she gets older starts using the undesirable eggs.
     
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    Yeah they can probably even spell!:p
     
  10. MacBandit macrumors 604

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    Ah, hell can't you take a joke.:rolleyes: :p :D





    I just found something interesting. I wonder if it's related.

    It talks about military spraying chemicals over Fishkill, NY.

    http://bogusauthorityexposed.com/id36.htm
     
  11. Xapplimatic macrumors 6502

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    Re: Just read this book then

    Please.. try to be a bit more dramatic? Old news. Tired... So was BMW.. So was VW.. So was Mitsubishi (Japan), so was.. so was.. big deal. People had to have cars or airplanes regarless of who ran the show.. doesn't taint the companies products IMHO.

    If it does, then well as usual, America is the only one who can come out smelling like a self-proclaimed rose! Ha!
     
  12. G4scott macrumors 68020

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    This does sound bad, but I don't think it should stop you from not buying from IBM. It may be just me, but if my eyes started burning, or the chemical smell was way too strong in a room, I think I would think twice about keeping on working. Now this may not have been the case with some of these people, who might have unknowingly been exposed to harmful chemicals, but the article makes it sound like a lot of the people here kept on working in conditions they may have known were harmful. Also, I would've made sure IBM had the proper safety equipment to work with certain chemicals before I would work with them, especially in a research lab...
     
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    I assume you also blame the coal miners for getting black lung disease?

    I mean.. come on.. they should've known better than to go in a coal mine!
     
  14. jelloshotsrule thread starter macrumors G3

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    yeah, when you're poorly educated, and have a family of 5 to feed.... you don't know any better, and if you do, you don't risk losing the best job the town has to offer.

    this **** happens everywhere. in all types of industries. and it needs to stop.
     
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    wow. that's a really bad story.

    might end up like another real life Erin Brockovich.
     
  16. MacBandit macrumors 604

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    I think everyone is too quick to jump on IBM. How do you know this is a result of working at IBM or if it's maybe just a result of where these people live? Maybe they live under high tension lines or on top of an old land fill or maybe all they eat is Twinkies.
     
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    This may sound cold hearted and cruel - but I think that technology is worth the cost.

    But that doesn't take away from the sadness of it all.

    I wish them the best of luck with their medical problems.

    scem0
     
  18. MacBandit macrumors 604

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    You're right that does sound a bit cold hearted. Maybe you should explain your point some.

    If your just talking about building computers that people entertain themselves that's kind of sick. On the other hand you are talking about the advancement of man kind and the potential to save millions of lives. There might be some merit in the second point of view but it's totally unproven and for something like this to happen there better be some evidence that there are lives being saved.


    Okay with that said I still am not going to convict IBM of this until the whole picture is taken and we see all the potential outsides causes.
     

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