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IBM's 750VX Finalized?

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  1. macrumors bot

    MacRumors

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    AppleInsider claims that IBM's 750VX ("Mojave") has been finalized but won't see introduction until Q3 2004.

    The new chip will reportedly support a 400Mhz DDR front side bus and Altivec.

    Older rumors about the chip offered a similar description ("Altivec-enabled G3"). No information of a 750VX chip has yet been released from IBM.
     
  2. macrumors 68020

    howard

    #2
    Q3 2004?

    thats when most people want G5 powerbooks.

    anyone know what kinda speeds this is supposed to run at? maybe it'll be for the ibook or emac
     
  3. macrumors 603

    Rocketman

    #3
    Given the huge architecture improvenments over the Mot G4 this may be the rumored Powerbook G5 chip.

    Rocketman
     
  4. macrumors 6502a

    jbrown

    #4
    The G3 lives......

    but where will it be put???:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
     
  5. macrumors 68030

    johnnyjibbs

    #5
    Well, 400MHz FBS is certainly a step-up from the Moto G4...
     
  6. macrumors 68040

    MattG

    #6
    What's the clockrate of these things going to be? Could this be the final nail in Motorola's coffin?
     
  7. macrumors regular

    #7
    hmmm

    Will this work in an Apple handheld?
     
  8. macrumors 68000

    #8
    Faster G3 chips! Altivec enhanced! Yay!
     
  9. macrumors newbie

    #9
    consumer chip?

    My guess is that this is the new consumer level chip. iMacs and iBooks will likely be getting this baby. We may even see it in Powerbooks if the G5 has issues.
     
  10. macrumors member

    #10
    The Appleinsider article says:

    Clock-speeds should initially reach 1.8GHz mark before greatly surpassing the 2GHz milestone with its successor: the PowerPC 750VXe

    that's very nice, haha. I might be going back to an ibook then.
     
  11. macrumors regular

    #11
    this would be perfect for an ultra low cost consumer desktop. IMHO, a headless cube selling for $499 would really turn a lot of people on to Macs that would normally not want to give up their existing monitor, or are just really cheap minded. ;-)
     
  12. macrumors 68040

    gwuMACaddict

    #12
    Re: hmmm

    isn't it a little speedy for a handheld? i dunno, just asking...
     
  13. macrumors 6502a

    #13
    Man, it bums me out that Phil of Mac isn't around anymore, I need some vindication

    All said, great news. The 750 vx will be a great mobile and low end chip. Bye bye Moto, good riddance.
     
  14. macrumors member

    #14
    So what are we hoping for then, Powerbooks will be due for an update in say 3-5 months, though most say G5 cant be in one till summer at the earliest. So maybe another G4 moto round on the PBs, then summer would bring either the G5 incarnation in PB and 750Vx in iBook or if there is some problem with G5 integration into PB the 750Vx could be swapped into them and the ibooks would have to suffer through another round without much change or use slower chips, memory, and smaller graphics? This doesn't sound to appetixing I dunno about you all I was hoping for a kick ass book to be announced by spring but seems like we could be in for serious length of time with moto still. :(
     
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    yoman

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    1.8Ghz in Q3 2004

    thats 3 times the speed of my current G3 ibook. :)
     
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    MacsRgr8

    #16
    Re: The G3 lives......

    Hopefully in the next gen. iBooks.
    Just keep 'em as low cost as possible.

    This is gr8 news!
     
  17. macrumors 6502a

    #17
    Without knowing that specs of these chips, I'll state for the record that I would MUCH rather have one of these 750VX chips in my PB than a G5, assuming power consumption is considerably lower on these chips.

    The two most important priorities in a laptop (for me at least) are battery life (and somewhat related, heat) and speed. I think you have to strike a balance between the two. I own a PB because I like the extra power over an iBook and the difference in battery time between the two is negligible IMO.

    That said, I am thinking (hoping) that this 750 VX will be more efficient than a G5. If it is considerably more efficient, it will be an excellent mobile processor that can scale up in speed along side the G5 while still maintaining long battery life and low heat. Ideal for a mobile processor.

    edit: Let me be the first to say that the Powerbook will see one of these before a G5
     
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    CmdrLaForge

    #18
    Q3 2004 ? What the hell ? If the chip is ready to go !

    Why can't we see this chip earlier in a iBook at 2GHz ? Maybe because the G5 Powerbook is not ready earlier ! And this chip rocks !
     
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    pjkelnhofer

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    eMac and iBooks

    To me, it makes more sense to put a true G5 into the iMac and the Powerbook. Assume all heat and power issues can be worked out and save the 750VX for eMac and iBooks
    The Powerbook and iBook are very close right now and this would seperate them again.
    I don't understand why people think of the iMac as a some sort of Low-End consumer machine. $2200 is not a "consumer" PC even if it comes with at 20" LCD monitor built in. The iMac is do for a complete overhaul again soon.
    The iMac could be updated early next year with a G5, and the eMac G4 speeded up. Then later in the year same thing with Powerbooks going G5 and iBooks getting the fastest G4's.
    Then late next year (Christmas time anyone) low-end eMac's (which I think will go LCD when the iMac gets a new form factor) and iBooks all featuring IBM's *new* G5x (or whatever Apple calls it to drop the G4 moniker completely).
     
  20. Guest

    #20
    Uh, a "G4" IS a G3 with AltiVec. So this is essentially an IBM G4 chip.

    As for G5s in laptops, let's not forget that as they shrink the die sizes/fab process, it will run cooler clock for clock. The 90nm chips shipping at some point will (should) run a lot cooler than the current 130nm ones.

    I completely agree, battery life/run time is of paramount importance in a laptop rather than some numbers-speed issue.

    BTW, "low cost" or even "ultra low cost" are phrases that one just can not mention in any discussion about our favorite fruit themed company.
     
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    XnavxeMiyyep

    #21
    It will most likely be dubbed as a G4, as it wouldn't be as powerful as a G5, and Apple wouldn't want to reintroduce the name G3.
     
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    eric67

    #22
    YES BUT

    I am surprized that nobody notices what this release, in case it is true, means.....
    if IBM is developping an altivec-enable G3, it implies :
    - either Moto gave green light to IBM to do it because they want to stop G4 production
    - either Apple really do not want to have anything to do with Moto anymore, and they might use this processor for replacing Moto G4, maybe before starting some legal action against Moto

    (once they do not depend on Moto anymore)

    But anyway it is cool to see IBM working on developping new processor for Apple
     
  23. macrumors 6502

    #23
    hm

    i think we have the g4 already. doesn't use much energy, 32bit processing... why would we go back to the g3?
    All it could be is the current g3 with altivec. I'd not expect to many structural redesigns of the g3 processor, since if it was a completely new proc, it woudn' feature the same serial number.

    2ct
     
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    MacsRgr8

    #24
    Is this Mojave G3 multi processor compatible?
    I mean, will I be able to order a Dual 2.0 GHz Mojave G3 (call it a G4)?
    Then maybe Apple can use them in future low-cost Xserves aswell.
     
  25. macrumors regular

    #25
    Permission

    IBM don't need anyone's permission to add Altivec to the 750. As part of the AIM alliance they have the right to implement it.

    The other difference between G3 and G4 is the bus and multi-processor support, not just Altivec. The latter two may not be important though if they are only for single processor machines and aren't to be pin compatible with Moto G4 processors or use their bridge chips.

    It's not quite a G4 but it sure isn't a G3.
     

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