iCloud Keychain not saving all passwords.

Discussion in 'OS X Mavericks (10.9)' started by Markvnl, Oct 27, 2013.

  1. macrumors newbie

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    Hi,

    I noticed that iCloud Keychain does not offer to save the password from some sites when I use Safari on my Mac.
    I made sure that "Allow AutoFill even for websites that request passwords not to be saved" is on.
    Safari on my iPhone and iPad mini offer to save the passwords for the same sites, so that works as expected.
    One of the sites on which I noticed this problem is this very site, MacRumors Forums.
    I even went to create a new password, which Safari said it would save in iCloud Keychain, but it didn't.

    Anyone seen this too?
     
  2. macrumors P6

    Weaselboy

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    #2
    Yep... I see it on many sites including this one. It is the fault of the site design and their password implementation.
     
  3. macrumors regular

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    #3
    Same here.
     
  4. macrumors regular

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    I too had issues with keychain and macrumors. Finally found a workaround it, not sure about other sites, but worth a try.
    1. Enter User Name and Password in Macrumors Forum Login
    2. Do Not Hit Log In
    3. Instead Refresh Page in Safari
    4. Dialog Box asks if you want to reload page, click Reload
    5. Keychain dialog box should now come up

    Hope this helps everyone with issues with macrumors & saving to iCloud keychain.
     
  5. macrumors 6502

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    With "Allow AutoFill even for websites that request passwords not to be saved" ticked all credentials shall be saved no matter how the site was designed.
     
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    Weaselboy

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    No they won't. I have that box checked and there are quite a few sites that it does not work, including this one. Look at the post above yours for a trick that makes it save for this site.

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    Thanks Leo... this worked perfectly. :)
     
  7. macrumors newbie

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    Finally someone else with the same problem as me. I have been searching and also asked for a solution for this problem regarding this forum not saving the login details. I didn't get any help! So I started to think it was only me with this problem. (which seemed a lil odd, but possible I guess)

    Anyway, now the problem is fixed! Again thank you!! :apple::D:apple:
     
  8. macrumors regular

    alice04

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    Yeah! me too. iCloud always asks for my password it's so irritating!
     
  9. macrumors regular

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    Worked perfectly, thanks!
     
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    alksion

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    Amazing! Thanks for the information, it was extremely helpful. While iCloud keychain still seems a bit in beta, I think there is major potential here.

    It also is going to help me to stop using three variants (don't get any ideas) of password combos. This really scared me after the recent hack on these very forums.
     
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    davidg4781

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    Just had this happen to me. I let it choose a very secure password after the security leak. It said it would save it.

    Nope. I had to go back and reset my password again. I'll stick with my usual 'password' password for now.
     
  12. macrumors 6502

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    I had the same thing happen to me today, not just with Macrumors but another forum as well.

    Another option is to log in from an iPad. When I logged in from an iPad it saved the password automatically without incident. It was only in OSX Mavericks that it wasn't working for me.
     
  13. macrumors 6502a

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    i'm a little confused; is this workaround to get safari to offer to CREATE a password, or to get safari to RETRIEVE a previously created password from its keychain?

    either way, one can speak of how it is impossible to handle all cases, and sure the savvy among us can read through these forums and figure out workarounds, but if the system is so finicky that even macrumors apparently doesn't "play right", then i think there is an argument to be made that apple's new keychain is not a "solution" at all.

    a feature like this, especially for novice computer users, requests a high level of trust from its users ("let us make up a password to your account that even you don't know, but TRUST us that we'll remember it for you"), but then makes the apparent unspoken caveat "the web is waaay to inconsistent to be sure this will work every time though, so good luck resetting your account or figuring out what went wrong the times it fails".
     
  14. macrumors regular

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    Same problem here. I can use the work around to get iCloud Keychain to suggest a secure password, but then it doesn't actually save it. So right now I have a screenshot of the secure password sitting on my desktop, just so I don't have to go through my third password reset for this forum in 24 hours.

    I love iCloud Keychain when it works, but man, when it doesn't, frustrating for sure.
     
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    kemo

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    wohoooo thank you!
     
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    tgara

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    Agreed, I'm still getting used to how it works. What's interesting is that I can go to a website on my iMac (running Mavericks) and iCloud Keychain won't save the password. However, I can go to the same site on my iPad (running iOS7), and iCloud Keychain *will* save the password. Good and fine, that password gets into the keychain, but why the behavior difference between the two OS's?? :confused:
     
  17. macrumors newbie

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    While this works, it’s a very archaic workaround. Would still like to know why this is happening.

    Anyway, thanks a bunch, at least it’s working now :)
     
  18. macrumors 6502a

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    It may have something to do with the fact that this site's login form, as currently designed, runs some client Javascript in your browser before it gets submitted to the website when you hit the login button. The Javascript in question mangles the password that you typed and converts it into an MD5 hash.

    However, if you click the reload button in Safari (as a workaround), this does not submit the form. In technical terms, it does a GET of the page rather than a POST. This will not result in any initial password mangling; Safari will recognise the form as worthy of remembering, and gives you the opportunity to save the username/password in keychain.

    Mangling passwords in the client's browser is not ideal, and there are more straightforward ways of achieving a secure login.

    For example, many sites provide a secure (SSL) login page. Thus the password cannot be sniffed on transit. Then, on the site's server (NOT the client browser) a hash is computed and compared when the login form is submitted.
     
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    IGregory

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  20. macrumors 6502a

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    Not for this site, it won't.

    It's pretty easy to develop websites that implement clear and unambiguous HTML defining a login screen. This site is not one of them.
     
  21. macrumors regular

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    Any reason you haven't fixed this yet Arn? Especially in light of this site's recent security issue.

    Nice trick with the reload button btw.
     
  22. macrumors 68040

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    Same problem here. If you are using Safari to generate passwords for these websites, make sure you record it down first somewhere. :p
     
  23. macrumors newbie

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    Safari no longer offering to save passwords for all sites

    I'm running Safari 7.0.2 and under the passwords Preference Panel there is no longer a check box that says "Allow AutoFill even for websites that request passwords not be saved." Is any one else seeing this? If so this is a big feature regression. I also notice that Safari in iOS 7.1 doesn't offer to save all websites either.
     
  24. macrumors regular

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    If you have the Developer menu enabled, Disable Javascript before clicking login button and Safari will ask to remember the password.
     
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    Weaselboy

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    Gone on 7.0.2 here also.

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