Idea for a peace march

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by stubeeef, Sep 26, 2005.

  1. stubeeef macrumors 68030

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    I think we should send 1 million demonstrators to the Mountainous region between Afg and Pakistan and have a sit in peace demonstration. And I think they should stay till the police drag them away, or the taliban decides (much like libya and the IRA) to put down their weapons, and to stop their shinanigans!

    How'bout it gang, lets tell those taliban terrorists that we want them to make war no more, and come out and get a hug! :)
     
  2. zap2 macrumors 604

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    or get shot trying :p

    but really i doubt this would work but if it will save life i'll give it a go( im likely to young :()

    but really what happens if the taliban open fires on us??? Or they throw a gernade at use( a few of them a few 100 are dead)

    ur idea is good
    but they way you ant to go around it is not so good
     
  3. clayj macrumors 604

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    Great idea, but only if *I* get to pick who we send. ;)
     
  4. Xtremehkr macrumors 68000

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    I've got an idea, let's make all supporters of the war enlist. How about it gang?
     
  5. Mike Teezie macrumors 68020

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    I'm all for it. Come on, don't be shy! Extra tours for everybody, plenty to go around!
     
  6. Xtremehkr macrumors 68000

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    And if you are too old to enlist, or otherwise unable, give your tax returns and deductions to support the cost that will ultimately be shared all. If you truly support the war, give up more.
     
  7. Sun Baked macrumors G5

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    Sounds like a good idea, and a great way for the anti-war demonstrators to make the US a better place.

    So nice for you to willing to do this for us.

    [​IMG]
     
  8. stubeeef thread starter macrumors 68030

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    As an officer in the military now, I can't enlist. But YOU can go to the middle east and protest the taliban, how'bout it x!

    edit: I have spent time in the Gulf, off and on for 3 years btw.
     
  9. belvdr macrumors 601

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    Now that was funny.
     
  10. Thanatoast macrumors 6502a

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    unfortunately, i think they would listen and care about as much as our own government.
     
  11. Xtremehkr macrumors 68000

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    Doing what?
     
  12. Xtremehkr macrumors 68000

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    That's pretty borderline Stu, let's try and keep it civil.

    I have done my 4.5 years in the Navy, including 3 tours of the Gulf. Real tours, WestPacs, 6 months on a ship, 4 months in the Gulf.

    Now, how does protesting a pointless invasion of Iraq have anything to do with the Taliban? Or, even more ridiculous, going to the Middle East to protest the Taliban.

    How about, the Government pursues those who were behind 911. How happy and emboldened is Osama, 4 years on the lam and we're stuck in a quagmire in Iraq.

    Why am I trying to reach you though? your accusation shows willful intent to insult rather than reason with me.

    Besides, are you the conservative archetype Stu?
     
  13. stubeeef thread starter macrumors 68030

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    First, Thankyou for your service.

    Second, I am only answering your call to enlist, I can't do your idea cause I am already in the military. But you can do my Idea because you are not in the military.

    Third, protesting only one sides involvement is tantamount to supporting the other side. (ie, Ask the Vietnam Vets about their feelings toward Jane F, most, not all, don't feel so good about her oneway work) For a protest to work you should decide if you like one side, or no sides. If only protesting one side then read the rest of #3 again. And incase you are not aware, Zaqari <sp> and company are Osama lackies raging around Iraq. Thats how protesting the Taliban works for Iraq. And they are self admittedly behind 911.

    Fourth, I have no idea why. Where is the insult from me, a bit defensive eh? You're the one telling me to enlist if I support the war, I am the one telling you why I can not.

    You say tomato, I say bean fruit. Whatever x, if you think I am the conservative archetype than fine, us conservatives are now against assualt weapons, the death penalty, for increased CAFE standards, and alternative energies! But what should I expect from the liberal/socialist archetype?

    Have a wonderfully delusional day. :)
     
  14. katchow macrumors 6502

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    I for the life of me cannot figure out what you mean. Are you saying that protesting BushCo is tantamount to supporting the Taliban? I only say this because you laid the Jane Fonda trump card.

    I'm really not trying to be facetious, i just don't get it.
     
  15. jelloshotsrule macrumors G3

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    i'm pretty sure that's what he's saying

    ignoring the fact that only AFTER the invasion did iraq become a haven for al qaeda.

    but with his laying out of the facts, you'd easily see how people actually thought (and some still think) saddam/iraq had anything to do with sept 11.

    congrats on opposing the death penalty, supporting environmental policy changes, and supporting assault weapons controls. too bad the "coalition" in iraq is: killing innocent civilians (along with bad guys, sure), destroying their environment via normal and du weapons, and well, the assault weapons are self explanatory.
     
  16. IJ Reilly macrumors P6

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    I don't think we're really meant to know. This entire thread was started as a trolling exercise anyway. It's unreasonable to expect it to turn serious now.
     
  17. stubeeef thread starter macrumors 68030

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    No, I am saying, that protesting only one side is tantamount to supporting the other side. If one protests only the American Administration and not the taliban then the taliban gets support defacto from you.

    I don't take your question as facetious so don't worry, but you must admit that no one from the US other than the military is protesting the Taliban, Osama, and the terrorists they support.

    The fact is jello, that Zarqawi does work in Iraq for Osama. The fact is no americans are protesting in the streets that he stop. And you must have been very angry with the democrats and clinton when he was killing innocents with cruise missles, and sending troops to bosnia without congressional approval.
     
  18. skunk macrumors G4

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    This is a logical fallacy. The choice is a false one. I detested the Taliban, and Osama, but I also detest the US response to 9/11, which involved hooking up with Pakistan, in fact almost all the 'Stans, and bombing the hell out of two countries, without actually pursuing the stated objective.
    The military are "protesting"? What part of their job description is that?
     
  19. stubeeef thread starter macrumors 68030

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    First the military is protesting (to make a statement or gesture in objection to <protested the abuses of human rights>) in this case the gesture is with weapons and not so much word, was it shakespear in midsummer nights dream, I do believe she protestith too much.

    I think the terrorists, Osama, and the taliban are enjoying the heat applied to the US and coalition governments, all they need to do is wait out some more and let the citizenry of many of these countries do for them what they can not do for themselves, remove the troops.
     
  20. IJ Reilly macrumors P6

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    It's an only barely retreaded argument from the Vietnam War era, when everyone who didn't buy into the idea that U.S. was pursuing the right policy could automatically be branded as a communist sympathizer. This approach was intended to stifle if not smother any debate over whether the U.S. was right to have become involved with the war and whether it could ever be won. It didn't work then and it won't work now.
     
  21. Dont Hurt Me macrumors 603

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    I think we should have a Peace for Our Planet March! Governments not invited only people! War has become to easy for all these freaking Govts, to much money thrown away at War & Weapons. We aint going anywhere as a race until we solve this. Once War is removed from our vocabulary then we will move forward into the Cosmo's. At the moment we are still monkeys. :cool:
     
  22. skunk macrumors G4

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    "The Lady doth protest too much, methinks", and it's from Hamlet. That's a bit of a stretch, isn't it? Does your average US "protestor" go armed with M1 tanks and B52s?

    Who shouldn't be there in the first place. It's a military and political disaster which is entirely self-inflicted.
     
  23. stubeeef thread starter macrumors 68030

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    I can't spell either! but that is the context of protest, if not acceptable, then whatever, either way there is little anti-terror or Osama or taliban protest going on in the world.

    I don't see it as a disaster, there is a lot of good coming from Iraq, positive changes that will last into the future. It is a war zone and therefore not safe. The premise was not proven, but I contend the removal was still necessary. We had been in that region for over a decade keeping sadaam in check, this should have been done in GW1.
     
  24. stubeeef thread starter macrumors 68030

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    That is my point, if you are against this sort of thing, than be against BOTH of the parties.

    Yours has been the most sane response, and the most true to what most protesters should be doing. If you are going to hang W in effigy just do it next to an Osama, or Zarqauwi as well please.
     
  25. Xtremehkr macrumors 68000

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    Stu, I am against the war. I want the occupation to end. We are not going to win, the longer we stay, the more troops we will lose.

    I disagree, I believe that accusation to be disingenuous, for many reasons. I don't think that this occupation will achieve what the Administration tells us it is going to achieve. Al Qaeda was not in Iraq before we were, therefore, our occupation was not able to keep Al Qaeda out of Iraq. If we couldn't keep them out of Iraq, I don't think that we can beat them there. The borders are too porous and the population is sympathetic. The local population has to be sympathetic for insurgencies to be able to survive. Keeping the troops there, simply makes them a target.

    More backhanded compliments, similar to this one;

    Are you suggesting that I really think that protesting the Taliban is the answer to terrorism? Did I somehow suggest that I thought this was the answer? While I am enjoying my delusional day, perhaps you can explain to me how you managed to get to this conclusion.

    Have a pleasant day Stu.
     

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