IE5 classic vs. IE5 OS X. what performs better?

Discussion in 'General Mac Discussion' started by LucasLand, Mar 29, 2002.

  1. LucasLand macrumors 6502a

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    I'm currently using a 600mhz snow iMac. I current use IE5 for OS X, but when i use IE5 classic it seems to run smoother and quicker! Does anybody else feel the same way? IE5 for OS X just seems a little sluggish. Anyone know of a way to make it run smoother?

    foofan
     
  2. alex_ant macrumors 68020

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    IE 5, Mozilla & Netscape 6 are all much faster in Classic than they are in OS X. This is due, I guess, to several things:

    - OS X's more computationally-intensive display layer
    - The fact that neither IE 5, Mozilla, nor Netscape 6 are available in Cocoa versions which do not rely on the slow OS 9 compatibility layer (Carbon).
    - Bloat and sloppy programming of OS X software. (If iCab, a Carbonized web browser, can render and scroll pages as fast as an OS 9 web browser, while being 1/2 to 1/8 the byte size of its competition, why can't IE or Mozilla or OmniWeb?)
    - The crappy poorly-optimized OS X compiler.

    If you really need speed in an OS X web browser, the only thing I've found to come close to any OS 9 browser is iCab. That's probably not an answer you were looking for, but it's the only one I can think of. :(

    Alex
     
  3. LucasLand thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    ie59 vs os x

    I will probably try icab. I don't here much about them, which makes me wonder if they are any good?
     
  4. eyelikeart Moderator emeritus

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    I don't use Classic to do anything....just boot straight from my OS 9.2 partition...

    but IE does run a hell of a lot more efficient in it than it does in X...

    the most obvious difference is how well java runs on 9 than on X...
     
  5. Choppaface macrumors 65816

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    ya i agree

    I'm one to usually have 10 to 20 windows open at once, and its usually faster in 9.x, but I usually have less probs with it in X.
     
  6. Onyxx macrumors regular

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    umm.

    both suck. go with mozilla (or a mozilla clone), or netscape 4.7 (not 6)
     
  7. LucasLand thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    mozilla? opera? what happened to netscape?

    I'm not impressed with netscape for OS X. What happened with Netscape? Hardly anyone uses them anymore. At the rate they are going they will not exist in a couple of years. Only thing that will save them is if Aol switches to them in their software.

    I'm not familiar with mozilla. Is it for OS X? I don't want to use any programs for os9. That is like going back in the past. If OSX is the best, then these browsers should work great.

    Has anyone been using opera?
     
  8. irmongoose macrumors 68030

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    yeah, mozilla is for OS X, and it works.. well.




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  9. Rower_CPU Moderator emeritus

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    Re: umm.

    Actually, from a web designer's perspective netscape 4.7 sucks. It has horrible support for W3C standards such as CSS. Netscape 6 does much better, but it's slower and more bloated (6.2.x fixed some crash problems).

    So it's up to you: Pages that load fast, but are incorrect; or pages that load slower, but are what the designer meant for you to see.
     
  10. LucasLand thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    I've been using mozilla for about a half hour now. It seems pretty good.
     
  11. Choppaface macrumors 65816

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    Re: Re: umm.

    ya

    and I've tried NS and moz on all my macs and on every one they have both been equally crash-happy

    the only thing NS is useful for is the javascript degbugger thingy
     
  12. Ifeelbloated macrumors regular

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    You know, I've been noticing something unusual everytime I'm online and using IE5 in OS X. Every now and then my screen flickers. It flickers for a split maybe once every online session. Can anyone tell me why?
     
  13. Mr. Anderson Moderator emeritus

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    I've not encountered this on my TiPB. What system are you running it on?
     
  14. Ifeelbloated macrumors regular

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    It's a brand spankin' new 933Mghz G4 Apollo. I don't think it's a big deal, but it did make me furrow my brow. I've been trying OmniWeb and it's nice but it seems a bit sluggish compared to IE 5.
     
  15. Mr. Anderson Moderator emeritus

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    Try reinstalling the newest version from their website, who knows, a byte might have been misplaced.
     
  16. LucasLand thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    i just downloaded omniweb to give it a try. Unfortunately when i went to update my homepage at apple itools, a message from apple says" this browser isn't supported". that really sucks! i guess it's back to IE
     
  17. sparkleytone macrumors 68020

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    just get rid of IE, its a pain in the a$$ and always tries to become the default browser without asking.

    download mozilla for compliance, because it has the best scores of ANY browser for W3C compliance.

    download OmniWeb for beauty, this is what I use daily. But it has HTML issues sometimes.

    IE needs to die now. Its great on PC, but i still refuse to use it.
     
  18. Mr. Anderson Moderator emeritus

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    Browser Wars

    Having to design compatible websites, I've always run into the pitfalls associated with IE vs. Netscape. They both need help, but there's not much to do when the majority of surfers are using them. I did a little digging and found an interesting article at websidestory.com, posted below.

    The high lights - ranked in order of most used (global browser usage)

    IE5 - no number given, but obviously more than 30.5%
    IE6 - 30.5%
    AOL - 13.12 %
    NS - 7%

    But the interesting thing is AOL is going to drop IE and go with Netscape, which means AOLScape will be here to stay.

    Does anyone have any data on the other browsers? I'd be curious to see a better break down, Mac OS9 vs. Mac OSX vs. PC, etc.

    http://www.websidestory.com/cgi-bin/wss.cgi?corporate&news&press_1_173
     
  19. Choppaface macrumors 65816

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    my breakdown is about 52% IE5, 32% IE6, 5% AOL.... with IE 6 on the rise. used to be about 10% or so a couple months ago. most of my visitors are guys 14-21 with moderate computer experience (well, at least the confidence of a moderately experienced user :D). other notes 40% 1024x768 and 43% 800x600, and overwhelmingly win 98.


    I'm really surprised to see IE6 being so popular on those net wide stats since its so new
     
  20. Rower_CPU Moderator emeritus

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    Here's a link to stats kept on a website at my work:
    http://extremetracking.com/open;sys?login=larcnet

    Tracking since July 2001-

    IE6 is just under 5%
    IE5 is just over 80%
    Netscape 4 under 12%
    Netscape 6 not even .6%

    PC - just over 76%
    Mac - just over 22% (it wouldn't be anywhere near that much if not for the fact that we design on Macs and check our work from them)

    Mostly educational visitors...
     
  21. Mr. Anderson Moderator emeritus

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    those stats are great. Yeah, the article mentioned the IE6 has totally cruised to a huge percentage since it first came out 7 months ago, taking a lot away from NS. I'm going to be really interested on how AOL fares with its transfer to NS, I never liked AOL to begin with.

    Thanks.
     

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