If apple update mac pro, I will buy it

Discussion in 'Mac Pro' started by Amethyst, Jun 16, 2007.

  1. macrumors 6502

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    I think many people around here think as me

    for me it because "what reason to pay $2500 for last year spec workstation"
    I need clovertown cpu , new graphics card and 2GB base ram
     
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    Multimedia

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    When Not If

    Yes those who have proceeded to buy the first gen 8 core are very down on those of us who are still waiting for a 2007 Stoakley-Seaburg motherboard and a newer-faster stock graphics card. But wait we do. The price of a complete 8-core Mac Pro is closer to $6,000 not $2500. That is why I wait like you. But please note it's not like it's not going to happen as your topic title implies. It's merely a matter of when. My guess is August because it will have been a year since the first gen Mac Pro was announced. And Intel's Clovertown prices are scheduled to plunge at the end of July. While it could be as late as October when the last gen G5 PowerMacs were announced a year and a three quarters ago, to avoid product spotlight confusion, August is more likely so that October can only be all about Leopard.
     
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    Yes, wait you could but you would have destroyed all for which they have faught. - Yoda


    I am holding out for the quantum processor with biological memory with HD. Will it still run photoshop?
     
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    suneohair

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    Save us your banter, really. If you enjoy your 8-core thats great. However, there is a possibility I will be paying $2500 for eight cores while you paid how much?

    Sure I could buy now, but I don't see a point with some major things happening with chip prices in a month. I don't NEED it now, so I will wait. Sure I want it, but I can wait.

    You don't have to keep posting in these to make yourself feel better about your purchase. You bought, go to the "I love my Mac Pro" thread and quite bugging the people who decide to wait and want to discuss possibilities of the update. Thanks.

    P.S. You spelled "fought" wrong. Good quote mess up did you.
     
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    macenforcer

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    Just getting sick and tired of all the "I want a better mac pro for cheaper" posts. You get over it. Jeez. Never heard so much whining in my life.
     
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    suneohair

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    Except from yourself of course, whining about the whiners... :rolleyes:

    Don't read. No one is making you. GO use your Mac Pro instead of posting here. You could encode some video for fun or something. I am personally done posting about it for awhile. I want one, but I am not going to get it til the update. I hope it is sooner rather than later. I can't bring myself to buy now. I like to us my money wisely and like I said with price drops on the horizon, I don't think it would be smart to buy now. Plus, I have to consider the recent MBP update as a reference to what may happen with the Pro.
     
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    macenforcer

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    All I am saying is that complaining on these forums about how the mac pro is a bad deal is getting old. If you are going to wait then wait. This is like the 10th thread that has popped up in the past few days. Mac Pro is a great deal. In a year it will be faster and cheaper. That happens EVERY year. You can wait forever with that mentality.
     
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    suneohair

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    Yeah, but the Mac Pro has been the same for a year. Did you forget that? Sure if they update next year it will be faster and cheaper. But why would I buy the year old model now when an update is imminent at last by the end of the year?

    I think you are deciding what our "mentality" so that is suits your argument. MY mentality is to buy when a product is updated. The eight core update to ME is not an update, nor will I be spending over $1000 to upgrade to it anyway, when soon quad cores will be faster and cheaper and could easily trickle their way into the Mac Pro on the base end.

    So this isn't about waiting forever, it is about using my money in a way that makes sense and buying now does not make sense. As I have said and as this thread title says, if it was updated today in a way that I thought was good I would buy today. Everyone on these threads tries to use the "you could wait forever so buy now" crap to justify their own purchase. DO you really think posting in these thread about how "You decided to not wait" is really any better than what is happening here? Please.
     
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    macenforcer

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    Waiting is fine. Complaining on the forums about waiting is just getting old. You are right. Updates are iminent. Waiting is the best logical course of action for best bang for buck. No dispute here. Fact is though that it will always be that way. So you wait 8 months to save a grand. Sure. Ok. If you had waited 14 months you would have saved 2 grand. Its endless. So what is the cut off for waiting I ask? Because apple likes to shoot out updates about a few months after everyone else has them and I tell you what nobody has what you are waiting for now. You are looking at more than 2 months in my opinion. I could be wrong but I don't think so. Just look at the apple timeline. Every update comes months after others are selling them. Then again look at the mac mini, or the macbook. Still no updates on them and those parts have been out for a while.

    Waiting is smart if you don't need the system. I got lucky and sold my old Mac Pro for a bundle so I said what the heck, get the Octo. And I did. It is very fast. Even if an update comes it won't be much faster.

    I have looked deep into the new intel Xeon and I can tell you what, it won't change really at all for at least 8 months. They are going to a die shrink to 45nm and that is it. Same speed, same 2 chips glued together setup. Might see 330mhz faster on top end, maybe but not at release.

    I think you all will be waiting for a while and when it gets here nobody will be that impressed.
     
  10. macrumors G3

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    At least you are waiting for something that WILL happen.

    I am waiting for a single socket Kenstield (or upgradeable) with DDR3 or DDR2, and I'm stuck with my Cube because there's no Mac that matches my needs.
     
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    I Am Not Complaining. I Am Being Patient.

    It was never my intention to "complain" the 8-core Mac Pro is not ready for me. What I have always written and always consistently intended was to buy the 8-core Mac Pro as soon as it has the Stoakley-Seaburg multi-core memory management chipset onboard. I have never waivered from that position and have only pointed out that the current first interation of 8-cores is missing that anticipated and wanted as a minimum requirement for me to pull the trigger since November '06 element.
    I don't see why you need to bash us for waiting for what we know is coming next in only a matter of a few more months at most. I have looked at the cost ten times. It's over $6,000 fully loaded. I am not going to dump more than $6,000 for last year's first generation motherboard no matter how fast you think it is already. Barefeets has shown that the current Mac Pro has serious memory mismanagement leaks when it comes to multitasking multithreaded applications all at once. That is because it is missing SS and Leopard. As long as the hardware is not SS enabled this will always be the case.

    None of us are saying it's a bad deal. None of us are saying it's not fast. None of us are bashing you for buying it already. In fact we are all congratulating you for your courage to do so. So please stop bashing us for waiting for what we have always been waiting for - 8 cores in a second generation Mac Pro SS motherboard. Can't we all just get along? :)
     
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    What bothers me is that the Mac Pro Stoakley-Seaburg thread was just fine until the just buy it now bashers showed up. The original poll was a bit much. Still, if you read back to the first to pages Multimedia apologizes for using "FrakenMac".

    What's wrong with us waiting? We never forced you to wait and now you're trying to force us to buy?
     
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    slughead

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    No. When it was released, it was a 'great deal'. Now, it is a 'crappy' deal.

    When it was released, you couldn't even HOME BUILD a PC with those components for cheaper.

    Now, you can do that and more. On top of that, there is the issue of the video cards being 18 months old and only 1GB RAM.

    Therefore: crappy deal.

    Not to mention, it'll go all 8 core within the next 2 months after Intel's price drops, so you'd really be quite the fool to buy now, unless of course the updates don't matter to you and you need the machine immediately.
     
  14. macrumors 6502

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    Courage! Did he go to war or buy a computer?
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    If I read I'm going to "pull the trigger" or "I'm all in" one more time I think I will go mad.
     
  15. macrumors 6502

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    I believe there are different approaches to the purchase of a new system, and they are all valid. Whatever works for you.

    Some people like to jump on the new systems without even knowing if it's buggy or not = pre-order just by the paper specs.

    Others prefer to buy when the system is mature, the bugs have been ironed out with silent updates or firmwares, and the upgrades and peripherals have dropped in price.

    How much was Mac Pro memory one year ago, even at crucial or neweg? Now its less than 100 bucks per gig.

    The new Mac Pro will be a beast for sure but if it works only with DDR3 RAM, than it might still come out with 1 gig base and buying more RAM will set you back 3 times as bad. The same will happen with GPU's and opticals (bluray)

    A loaded (not even FULLY loaded) Mac Pro will always be expensive as sh*t. That's the way its meant to be.

    Just my opinion.
     
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    Crappy deal? Where else can you get an 8 core system at 3ghz? Thats as cutting edge as it gets seeing as how only apple has the 3ghz quad core chip. Whats apple going to do invent a new mboard?
     
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    Most of the discussion is aimed at both processors and GPUs being "old", but most really only are focusing on the GPU when they say the Mac Pros are outdated. There is also alot of expectation for Workstations to evolve at the same speed as consumer machines.

    Though to be fair Apple did refuse to jump on the quad core chip route for 6 months, for what looks purely like trying to avoid confusing customers over what was faster. And Intel were supposed to have Stoakley out for Clovertown months ago. Realistically the chances of anything happening before or very close to the July Price cuts (it wouldn't be beyiond Apple to list new systems weeks before and not ship until later or whatever), is remote to say the least. We'll continue to see these sort of threads until then anyway, and as soon as they are shipping the focus will change to Harpertown and Stoakley, and I would think the 2nd generation DX10 GPUs.
     
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    Wild-Bill

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    If you are so "sick and tired" of the 'I want a better mac pro' threads then why on Earth would you open up and read a thread entitled "If apple update mac pro, I will buy it" ?:confused: That makes absolutely no sense. If you're sick of hearing about people waiting for Apple to update the outdated components in the Mac Pro, don't read the threads on the topic.

    I don't read posts I'm not interested in. And surely, if I was "sick" of a certain topic here on the forums, I simply wouldn't read it.

    Some people want Stoakely-Seaburg. Some people want a better spec'd base configuration. Some people want DDR3 instead of FB-DIMMs. And most people, including myself, want better, current, and readily available video cards. Not only are the video card options outdated, Apple overcharges for them in the BTO options.

    Example: Apple charges $149.00 to add a second 7300GT. It can be had from Newegg for $63.99

    Steve announced EA and id games are coming to the Mac, presumably to capture some of the computer enthusiast/gaming market. I don't think anyone in that crowd would consider a video card released in January of 2006 to be top of the line......................:rolleyes: :apple:
     
  19. macrumors regular

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    If you dont NEED it now, buying the Mac Pro now is simply unwise.
     
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    statikcat

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    Very true.. and many of us in the same boat like to complain and speculate so flamers stay out :D
     
  21. macrumors 6502

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    I'm a member of about 10 forums of all the topics as hobbies I have; photo, wide format printers, my car's, my mountain and road bikes, photoshop, and of course computers (and I'm forgetting a couple). I started to read and write on these forums as a way to learn English.

    On all these forums there is a group of "Should I buy or should I wait" guys. This is perfectly normal and it goes with the personality of each individual, but I do notice that these guys are the ones that suffer the most from the anxiety of buying and getting screwed by a new model coming out too soon after they pulled the trigger, or the fear of being the ones that buy into the product when it's too new and have to endure the discovery of the bugs that come with many rev.1 stuff.

    For some reason I'm more impulsive and if I like the device and it has what I need I just go ahead and buy it, and I rarely regret it.

    Now, of all the stuff that I use, computers is the one that I like to keep as close to cutting edge technology as possible (because I use the most for work and fun); and paradoxically it's the gadget that more often than not gets outdated (even if it doesn't get slower...). For this reason I use -- only with computers -- the money in the cookie jar every month method.

    Macs are ideal for this because they keep a good resale value and normally I can change my machines every year or so without pain and I enjoy when there is a substantial upgrade in technology because I know I'll have the cash to upgrade.

    I hope I didn't bore you guys too much with my story.

    Bests.
     
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    statikcat

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    I am not the kind of person to normally care about things becoming outdated or anything. In fact I never have on any other purchase before ever. But in this case anytime soon when the Mac Pro updates a bunch of things the value will probably drop by half. That is a lot of money to loose out on.. this isnt about being paranoid it is about spending a lot of money verey well. This is quite a unique circumstance to me at least.
     
  23. macrumors regular

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    im in the same boat as such, have the £££ in the bank to buy a new mac now. Either going to plump for a stripped down mac pro, or maxed out imac (whichever is updated first).

    I could probably hold out until end of june, mid july absolute max before i take the plunge and buy one of the two. However, although an all 8 core lineup would be nice, I for one expect to see something along the lines of the following sooner rather than later

    - Two 2.66 Ghz Intel Xeon as the stock option, getting rid of the 2.0 ghz, keeping the other options the same, using the same chipset
    - 2GB Ram Base
    - Base card as either NVidia 8500 or 8600/ ATI HD 2400, either with 256mb vRam, mid card as ATI HD 2900 512mb VRam, top card as NVidia FX Quatro 5600
    - SLIGHT increase in size for the stock HDD to 300GB or 320GB, nothing major.

    With apple, I think it is definately a case of prepare to be underwhelmed untill you are overwhelmed

    And its my first post, so be kind :)
     
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    ob81

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    I am waiting for the update. Unless it doesn't come before Mid-October. I can get by with my Macbook for the time being. If I needed a comp right now, I would shell out the dough for the Mac Pro right this instant. I don't need it now though. So I am waiting.
     
  25. macrumors G3

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    Wanting DDR3 or DDR2 DIMMs goes together with wanting only one CPU, which could be had now. For having simpler memory with two CPUs, you'll have to wait longer if the reports of Intel dropping FB-DIMMs are true.
     

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