If someone asked you..."how do I get a warm sound"......

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    What would be the top 5-10 or so things you would tell them?
     
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    I would ask them to define warmth, then come back in a year to see if they've given up yet.
     
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    come on zim!!!! lol.

    help a brother out. You hear this term used SOOOOO frequently when it comes to audio production...

    I'd say use your own definition of warmth...teach me what it is....

    now what?
     
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    It's completely dependent on the genre and instruments in use.
    Give us an example!
     
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    neve style preamps, 2" tape, tape emulators (I think rupert neve makes a tape saturation unit), good instrument / mic combination, u47, u67?....
     
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    I mean there are some general standards thought right?

    I mean come on yall...if some big time AR person was looking to higher for an audio engineer for a MAJOR record label asked you this question and you had to give an answer (not some easy way out...zim and junior :D)

    what would you say!?!?!?!?!?!?
     
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    I'd think it was the craziest question ever. They would first of all explain what division, if there are a few, they'd be looking at employing me for. That may narrow down the genre a bit. Then they may make me listen to a past release and tell me that specific record didn't have the 'warmth' they wanted. To that specific question, I could explain to them what the mix engineer and/or mastering engineer, could/should have done.
    As someone who regularly employs and directs engineers, I would be embarrassed to ask such a broad/unanswerable question to them.
    Honestly, you've gotta be more specific.
     
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    Funny... And completely true. Warmth is extremely subjective.

    As junior said, get them to play you some mixes that will show you what they define as warmth (or not). And after that, go and mix until the sound is sorta like it and they're happy.
     
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    warmth is like pornography. you can't define it, but you know it when you see it.
     
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    well my iPhone is a refurb. So I guess I'm off to a good start. ;)
     
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    Warm sound to me is

    not tinny with clipped high notes and smooth, even low ones. But mostly, it's the ability to hear the notes/sounds finish their faintest oscillations to provide a complete hearing experience.

    Now, where is that AC/DC mp3 ?:D
     
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    lol
     
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    Oops :eek: :D
     
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    In seriousness depending on where you're trieng to get this effect get a dusty old valve amp or use a compressor. Recording to tape also rolls of highs (though this can be simulated).
     
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    A slight low-end lift and hi-end drop, high amounts of 1st overtone harmonics, and a bit of hiss and hum :p

    To get a warm/beefy sound, I tend to push things through an old 80s Yamaha mixing desk I acquired - half of it doesn't work properly any more but it sounds great if you use the right channels. I also tend to run bass/dirty sounds through my MoogerFooger to get a really beefy sound...
     
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    right. if you *really* want to know what i think about warmth, read this thread.

    my stance today is: i don't use the term, because i don't know what it means, and i've never seen a satisfactory definition that we can all agree on.
     
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    What do you all think about this mix. The overall sound...warmth, whatever. What do you think about the sound. This is one of the last tracks that I did. I used Reason and Logic to complete it all.

    http://www.zshare.net/audio/8965479da0ddee/
     
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    I really like it. What did you use to make it?

    In terms of comments feel free to ignore everything I say, particularly as I'm not a professional and also because I've generally commented on the things I would change and that may not apply to you.

    The mid range seems not existent, give that piano a bit more say in the mix perhaps
    Bass is pretty solid but I''d say it needs a cut beneath 40, or see how you feel
    I think you may wish to add more oomph and snap on the snare. They sound a bit thin - have you tried overdubbed 40hz blips with a gate or the like?
    I like the symbols though they are just too tinny, have you tried using a sibilance filter on them, perhaps get em to chuhh not chssssh?
    It'
     
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    boy do i have a long way to go. I have not ever used any of the effects that you speak of...not even sure what alot of it means. LOL!!!!

    I used Reason and Logic to make the track. Yes the mid range does seem non existence. But once vocals are applied that won't be an issue any more.

    I'll wait thought and hear what other people have to say. but i would guess with those comments that you made, it probably certainly does not sound professional then right?
     
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    thanks though for the comments i do appreciate them and I would greatly like to learn more about the things that you speak of. I want to get even better. I catch quite a bit of negatives due to my drums not really having any real personality. they need more... that is what everyone keeps telling me.
     
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    Sounds okay to me. A lot of this kind of music tends to have a slightly rough edge to it and to be honest if it sounded perfect, it would sound wrong.

    This sounds like some of say... Two Banks of Four's stuff...
     
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    who???

    LOL
     
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    Well said.

    About those techniques have a look on youtube.
    Also I'm not too keen on the name. :D
     

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