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Discussion in 'Macintosh Computers' started by alexlai5050, Apr 10, 2003.

  1. alexlai5050 macrumors member

    Apr 9, 2003
    Only a few days ago, a new web site was opened, offering Macs at
    incredible low prices: . The site looks very
    professional, with lots of Apple logo's and a shopping trolley system.

    Just about the entire Apple hardware range is offered here, and the low
    prices make ordering very tempting. Example: a 17" Powerbook for euro

    HOWEVER, here are the facts:
    - The site shows no name, address, etc.
    - The site claims to have a "warehouse" in Sittard (the Netherlands), but
    is unknown to Apple-Netherlands.
    - No Sales Policy ("yet"); no mention of transport fees, sales tax or
    payment methods.
    - The site address was registered only a few days ago (april 2nd),
    stating only an address of an internet intermediary in London (DCA
    Hosting, London, London W1R 7PB)
    - Only after ordering, you are presented with the payment methods: no
    credit card, just Western Union, check or Bank transfer (so paying, in
    advance, means: no refunds!).
    - After ordering (and only then), you receive a name of the bank account
    holder, and a bank account number in Estonia:
    Vitali Nikiforov
    75501, Estonia, Saku, Asula 2-7
    Hansabank Estonia Tallin, Liivalaia 8.
    - This person, Vitali Nikiforov, is a well-known internet crook - search
    the internet, and you will find scores of people who've payed him, never
    to hear from him again.

    Though most people probably won't fall for this scheme, the low prices
    seem to blind quite a few people. And the professional look of the site
    helps too.

    The site ( ) at this moment looks
    closed, but it has been reported that they may close it only for certain
    IP ranges/countries. As the site has been discussed on several important
    Dutch sites in the past few days, they may have decided to target
    audiences elsewhere in Europe...

  2. nanosound macrumors regular

    Dec 22, 2002
    When I see payment methods like Western Union, bank transfer, I stay away. A friend bought a Cinema Display oversees and the auctioner disappeared.

    This reminds me of the Nigerian scheme.

    If it's too good to be true, it is.
  3. alexlai5050 thread starter macrumors member

    Apr 9, 2003
  4. Mblazened macrumors regular

    Dec 20, 2002
    The Valley

    thanks for the warning
    its important to share info on these schemes.
  5. funkywhat2 macrumors 6502a


    Jul 14, 2002
    From an iPod review on said site:

    "False distributor of Apple in internet That the prices do not dazzle, because is a swindle has appeared a place in called internet applediscount com, with truly professional aspect and piles of logos of Apple. Even has store online. It offers all the line of machines of Apple, and the low prices are tempting. Nevertheless, this is the reality: The place does not have a physical direction, neither name of business, etc. The place assures to have a "store" in Sittard (Low Countries), but nobody in Apple of that zone knows him. Do not they have politics of sales ( "still"), does not say which are the prices of the transportation, the taxes or forms of payment. The control was registered does only some you gave (April 2,, contributing only the direction of an intermediary of internet of London (DCA Hosting, London, London W1R 7PB) Only when have carried out your asked, appear the form of payment: there is not credit card, only Western Union, check or banking transfer (The payment in advance signifies that there is
    not refund of the value) after carrying out the askedThen) the name of the recipient appears and the banking account for the transfer in Estonia: Vitali Nikiforov 75501, Estonia, Saku, Asula 2-7 Hansabank Estonia Tallin, Liivalaia 8. This person, Vitali Nikiforov, is a known thief of internet -you can do a search and will find data of persons that paid and never they returned to know about him. Although it is probable that the majority of the people do not sting, the so low prices can blind to some. And the cared for aspect of the place also helps to this deceit. The store at this time seems closed, but seems that it is a matter of a countries selection strategy through IPs. As the case extensively has been commented in all the Dutch places of internet in passed days, is possible that they have determined to attack to other audiences in other countries of Europe. "

    Thanks for pointing it out.
  6. MacsRgr8 macrumors 604


    Sep 8, 2002
    The Netherlands
    I think they're closed down now. Good thing too.
    If you want to visit them, you get a permission error (403). I tried it from Holland.
  7. ian559 macrumors member

    Feb 20, 2002
    The sight is comin up here in Ohio. Came right up
  8. thirdeg macrumors newbie

    Jan 24, 2002
    I am going to check this out tomorrow, and see what I can find! I live 4 miles from Sittard, so it should not be a problem.
  9. CrackedButter macrumors 68040


    Jan 15, 2003
    51st State of America
    sprinkle with a bit of futurama humour

    Cool, i'm over there now checking out the brilliant prices, i've just placed an order for a dual 1.42 PM and 2 20 cinema displays!

  10. Eniregnat macrumors 68000


    Jan 22, 2003
    In your head.
    Has anybody contacted Apple's leagle department about this one?

    [EDIT]--> Apple probaly dosn't care
  11. Eniregnat macrumors 68000


    Jan 22, 2003
    In your head.
    Rather than pronounce judgement, here are some facts along with a little commentary.

    This should be a warning sign.

    Another (as stated)
    A third warning sign is that there is little security, most especially for your password (even in creation).

    This company could be legitimate, but then again.

    First I decided to do a simple ping, just to see how far this company is. ->> Melbourne IT- or lest that’s as good of a sleuthing job as I have done so far. I was surprised to see that my pings averaged 67ms. To put this in relation, if I were on the Westcoast next to a T1 would ping out at 47ms and the NYSE would ping out at 80ms (its along a T3). This puts the server (most likely) in the U.S., as bouncing to Europe (.uk addresses ping out at 90+ to 160ms on the average).

    Traceing the jumps and working backwards:

    • USA- Washington DC
      from Canada (BC-,
      VC-[Sprint] )
      and then several jumps along Sprint or Sprintnet until you get to the US.

      From Whois
      Not much else so far. There isn't to much to work with yet. It still could be legit, but hey, there are a lot of here and we can do research to see if it is.
  12. nanosound macrumors regular

    Dec 22, 2002
    MacZone won't accept returns either. That is why I will buy at the Apple store next time.
  13. maradong macrumors 65816


    Mar 7, 2003
    Cool, tell us if you got some informations please.

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