Installing XP on Macbook

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  1. will0407 macrumors 6502a

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    OK, I'm a novice/amateur or whatever you want to call it. I haven't got a clue how to begin the install. I'm going to buy paralles v.soon ( as in next couple of days), and I've got my windows XP pack here with me, but I haven't got a clue what to do!

    What do I do first to begin the install? Do I need to get parallels and install it before I install windows? Or do I boot up OSX then insert the windows cd.

    If anyone can give me any help, or give me a link to a walk through guide that would be awesome cos I'm really stuck!
     
  2. yellow Moderator emeritus

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    Get parallels first.. instructions will come with it.

    Or, if you want to do the dual boot route (you cannot do both, I believe.. it's one or the other.)

    Download BootCamp and follow the instructions that come with it.
     
  3. will0407 thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    I've just bought parallels but there's nowhere that tell me what to do with my Windows XP pack.
    help anyone?
     
  4. yellow Moderator emeritus

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    There's no installation instructions or manual that came with Parallels??

    I find that rather hard to believe.

    The Parallels_Desktop_for_Mac_User_Guide.pdf tells you what to do in the "Installing Guest OS" section.
     
  5. will0407 thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    I would have thought that came in the folder that you download. Anyway, downloading it as I type. Hopefully it'll solve my problems.

    thanks for help
     
  6. yellow Moderator emeritus

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    I too would have thought that.. if there were no instuctions with the download, well that's piss-poor on their part.

    Ultimately VirtualMachines work like this: Install the VM software, run the VM software and config a new VM, run the new VM and put in your Windows CD. It should automagically detect it and start installing Windows.
     
  7. Bern macrumors 68000

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    Or you could always go with Apple's Bootcamp which includes a very comprehensive pdf of instructions

    Using Bootcamp you'll be installing XP natively as opposed to emulating, which may make a difference for you.
     
  8. crazycat macrumors 65816

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    I would recommend bootcamp its much better in my opinon.
     
  9. will0407 thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    crazycat, have you tried parallels as well, or are you saying that because bootcamp is just what you use? If you have tried both, then what benefits of using bootcamp are there, as I know you can only run one or the other.
     
  10. yellow Moderator emeritus

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    For one thing, Parallels doesn't support 3D video. And it's a VM, which means that it's running on top of OS X, which sucks for speed. If you're just doing simple (or simpleish) things and don't want to have to boot & reboot back and forth bnetween OS X and WinXP, then Parallels is the way to go..

    If you need REAL WinXP speed and compatability, then BootCamp is the way to go.
     
  11. will0407 thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    I'll be usin git at uni (doing a computing and management course) so may need to install software etc, but I have 2GB RAM, so that should allow it to run fast enough, shouldnt it?

    I'd prefer parallels etc, as then I can use word etc with windows still open, rather than having to purchase word separately for Windows (unless it comes built in with XP??)
     
  12. balamw Moderator

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    Word is not bundled with XP, only WordPad, which is actially fairly decent if your needs are simple... If you have Word or Pages for OS X, use that instead.

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  13. will0407 thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    I've got XP up and running now. One quick question, how do I get windows to recognise external devices, as I plugged in my memory stick and it only appeared on my OSX desktop. Is this just a drawback of using parallels instead of BC?

    Also, how do I transfer stuff from OSX to Windows?
     
  14. netdog macrumors 603

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    Install Parallels

    Install a new Virtual Machine (VM) in Parallels (obviously a Windows machine)

    It will use the Windows CD in the CD drive

    Give at least 4 and probably 8GB of space and 512MB of RAM to the new Windows Virtual Machine

    It really is very easy.
     
  15. will0407 thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    netdog, I've already installed XP. I just want to know how I can get to stuff from windows that is on my OSX HD. I have some software that I want to try out, but I can't get to it.
     
  16. lensblur macrumors newbie

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    I am not carzycat, and this is my first post!

    I use both Bootcamp and Parallels on my black MacBook. From what I feel (bear in mind that I allocate 512MB RAM for WindowsXP on Parallel, while Bootcamp WindowsXP has full access to 2GB RAM):

    - running Windows using Bootcamp is faster, snappier. All softwares work under Bootcamp especially activesync. Not all softwares work on Parallels, and I still can't get activesync to work on Parallels yet. The negative point is I have to reboot into Mac if I want to use Mac. So for serious applications and sync with PocketPC I use Bootcamp.

    - the advantage of running Parallels is I can access Windows while I use OSX, which is the same as Virtual PC, but much faster. However, some applications don't work in parallel. I also feel "insecured" using windows in Parallels. So this is just for fun and running some non-serious applications.

    I recommend doing both. You can always get rid of the Windows partition in Bootcamp any time you want without damaging Mac partition. And Parallels will still run. Right now I don't trust Parallel enought to delete my Windows partition.
     
  17. steve_hill4 macrumors 68000

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    Open up Parallels, don't boot XP, just have the summary window open. Then, click edit and go to Shared Folders. Once in there, click + to add a folder, enter path or click browse, select folder and that's it.

    The shared folders then appear on the XP desktop.

    Edit: remember to give name to folder, or it doesn't add it to the list. Also, only windows files will show properly, obviously. I have many pages files in my Documents folder that appear under XP as name.pages folders.
     
  18. iCeQuBe macrumors regular

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    I am running both parralles and using boot camp on my iMac and I have not seen a problem. I boot into windows to play a game but fire up parralles in OS X when I just want to use a random windows app. I obviously don't use them both at the same time but I have both there to use. What is the problem in doing this? I have seen many people who say you can't do it yet it is working for me. Or do all these peole just mean you can't run both at the same time which would seem painfully obvious to me!
     
  19. iCeQuBe macrumors regular

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    You can't read a MAC HFS partition in Windows XP (using boot camp) you need special software to do that. You can however use a USB flash drive to move the stuff as long sa the flash drive is formatted in windows. For parralles just use the shared folders in parrallels.
     
  20. yellow Moderator emeritus

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    He probably said that becuase I said that. And I said that based off bad info.. or incomplete info more likely. I suspect now that the person that told me you couldn't have both was basing it on available disk space, more than technical limitaion.

    It's pretty clear to me now that it's definitely possible to have both, since Parallels is simply a VirtualMachine soft for Mac OS X, and BootCamp is used to create a compeltely separate WinXP partition.
     
  21. balamw Moderator

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    If you have two separate XP licenses you should be able to run both Boot Camp and Parallels.

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  22. iCeQuBe macrumors regular

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    Hmm, I would assume (Possibly incorrectly) that you could use one license for both Boot camp and parrallels since you can't run both at the same time. The only thing that mught get in the way is the activation may see different hardware and balk at it. Not too sure.
     
  23. balamw Moderator

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    Every version of Windows' EULA I have read seems incompatible with installing a single license more than once regardless of whether each install can be used simultaneously or not. Transfer rights granted by the EULA (for retail licenses, but usually not OEM) require you to remove the software before installing on the other machine.

    As you suspect Windows can't see the real hardware within Parallels and thus won't be able to detect that it is running on the same machine as the Boot Camp version, so online activation shouldn't work...

    You could always call the Activation hotline ans see if they'll give you a code anyway...

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  24. plinden macrumors 68040

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    According to MacWorld.com some people have been successful in getting Microsoft to allow a single license to be activated for both Boot Camp and Parallels.
    It's also discussed here, where others found they could do the same: http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=448873&tstart=0
     
  25. balamw Moderator

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    I've seen the threads as well, and that's why I said, "give them a call", at the end of my last post.

    Windows activation is a bit of a crap shoot anyway, and depends on the kind of license you have (retail vs. OEM), and who you get on the phone when and if you call them. I've read a number of XP EULAs and none of them seem to specifically cover this kind of eventuality, so Microsoft is under no obligation to satisfy you. My guess is that they are more likely to let you run the license in Boot Camp and Parallels if it is a retail license instead of an OEM license, but given that a retail license costs more than two OEM licenses, you might still just be better off buying the two OEMs...

    Personally, I've moved my XP Home Upgrade (retail) license twice and have always been able to activate the license online and have not had to call them.

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