Intel minis in Apple Stores now....

Discussion in 'Buying Tips and Advice' started by jsw, Mar 1, 2006.

  1. jsw Moderator emeritus

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    The Rockingham (Salem), NH Apple Store has both flavors of Intel minis in stock. I'd assume others do as well.

    Just an FYI.
     
  2. treblah macrumors 65816

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    Thanks for the info. I'm taking a little road trip up to Charlotte tomorrow and might have to stop by the Apple Store to check them out.
     
  3. jsw thread starter Moderator emeritus

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    I'd call first - it only takes a sec and might save you some time!
     
  4. iHeartTheApple macrumors 6502

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    Score!:) I just got off the phone with the Cambridgeside store here in Cambridge, MA and they have both the solos and duos out on display and models in stock for sale. I think I may be heading over there after my 5pm meeting to play around a bit. :D
     
  5. manosira macrumors member

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    Ordered Mine

    I ordered mine online. I like to customize it a little which you can't do at the store. But I'm going to stop by the store today to check it out and make sure I didn't make a mistake by getting one.
     
  6. zap2 macrumors 604

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    i'm not going to school tomorrow(sick) so maybe i'll go to the Apple store, i am doing stuff about Jobs in school
     
  7. iHeartTheApple macrumors 6502

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    Alrighty...here I am at the cambridgeside Apple Store posting this on the new Intel Mac Mini Duo w/512MB of ram...I've run through all of the iLife applications, messed with the dashboard ripples and all that great stuff and it seems to move pretty fast. So far, it's pretty impressive, IMHO. I personally can tell a rather pronounced difference between this and the old ones...However:

    XBench 1.2 Results:

    Results 49.94
    System Info
    Xbench Version 1.2
    System Version 10.4.5 (8H1619)
    Physical RAM 512 MB
    Model Macmini1,1
    Drive Type ST98823AS
    CPU Test 64.00
    GCD Loop 216.42 11.41 Mops/sec
    Floating Point Basic 75.75 1.80 Gflop/sec
    vecLib FFT 37.07 1.22 Gflop/sec
    Floating Point Library 56.48 9.83 Mops/sec
    Thread Test 162.53
    Computation 146.44 2.97 Mops/sec, 4 threads
    Lock Contention 182.60 7.86 Mlocks/sec, 4 threads
    Memory Test 94.50
    System 99.63
    Allocate 108.86 399.76 Kalloc/sec
    Fill 93.51 4546.47 MB/sec
    Copy 97.76 2019.16 MB/sec
    Stream 89.87
    Copy 76.07 1571.25 MB/sec
    Scale 76.63 1583.15 MB/sec
    Add 109.52 2333.03 MB/sec
    Triad 108.88 2329.31 MB/sec
    Quartz Graphics Test 58.99
    Line 57.99 3.86 Klines/sec [50% alpha]
    Rectangle 49.92 14.90 Krects/sec [50% alpha]
    Circle 52.51 4.28 Kcircles/sec [50% alpha]
    Bezier 88.42 2.23 Kbeziers/sec [50% alpha]
    Text 58.37 3.65 Kchars/sec
    OpenGL Graphics Test 159.13
    Spinning Squares 159.13 201.87 frames/sec
    User Interface Test 19.25
    Elements 19.25 88.35 refresh/sec
    Disk Test 30.64
    Sequential 49.04
    Uncached Write 36.16 22.20 MB/sec [4K blocks]
    Uncached Write 58.38 33.03 MB/sec [256K blocks]
    Uncached Read 46.97 13.74 MB/sec [4K blocks]
    Uncached Read 64.55 32.44 MB/sec [256K blocks]
    Random 22.28
    Uncached Write 7.25 0.77 MB/sec [4K blocks]
    Uncached Write 65.18 20.87 MB/sec [256K blocks]
    Uncached Read 66.56 0.47 MB/sec [4K blocks]
    Uncached Read 89.00 16.51 MB/sec [256K blocks]

    Interestingly enough, this is only 4 points higher than the Rev.E PB in my signature. I've now got a line waiting behind me to get on this machine though, so I'm going to run back to my office now. :D Cheers!

    EDIT: New info before they kick me out...uptime is 4 hours, pageins/outs = 150000/137000...hmmm
     
  8. jsw thread starter Moderator emeritus

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    Cool, thanks!

    Now we know the internal drives: these (at least on some of the minis).

    We all know how spotty Xbench is, but it's better than nothing. It would appear - if we can take Xbench's word for it, which is debatable - that the stock mini duo is ~half as fast (overall) as my 17" Intellimac with 2GB RAM and a SATA drive.

    The graphics score is half that of the iMac (better than I would have expected), but, for whatever reason, the HD score is much, much lower - I wonder if it has anything to do with the net boot in the stores?

    Code:
    Results	110.72	
    	System Info		
    		Xbench Version		1.2
    		System Version		10.4.5 (8G1454)
    		Physical RAM		2048 MB
    		Model		iMac4,1
    		Drive Type		Maxtor 6L160M0
    	CPU Test	70.91	
    		GCD Loop	238.49	12.57 Mops/sec
    		Floating Point Basic	83.34	1.98 Gflop/sec
    		vecLib FFT	41.39	1.37 Gflop/sec
    		Floating Point Library	62.28	10.85 Mops/sec
    	Thread Test	174.72	
    		Computation	155.99	3.16 Mops/sec, 4 threads
    		Lock Contention	198.57	8.54 Mlocks/sec, 4 threads
    	Memory Test	97.20	
    		System	92.16	
    			Allocate	89.75	329.59 Kalloc/sec
    			Fill	97.29	4730.50 MB/sec
    			Copy	89.85	1855.80 MB/sec
    		Stream	102.81	
    			Copy	84.16	1738.28 MB/sec
    			Scale	89.13	1841.30 MB/sec
    			Add	127.90	2724.64 MB/sec
    			Triad	125.22	2678.71 MB/sec
    	Quartz Graphics Test	114.31	
    		Line	102.57	6.83 Klines/sec [50% alpha]
    		Rectangle	113.48	33.88 Krects/sec [50% alpha]
    		Circle	112.50	9.17 Kcircles/sec [50% alpha]
    		Bezier	110.88	2.80 Kbeziers/sec [50% alpha]
    		Text	137.55	8.60 Kchars/sec
    	OpenGL Graphics Test	122.68	
    		Spinning Squares	122.68	155.63 frames/sec
    	User Interface Test	239.28	
    		Elements	239.28	1.10 Krefresh/sec
    	Disk Test	83.12	
    		Sequential	96.81	
    			Uncached Write	107.11	65.76 MB/sec [4K blocks]
    			Uncached Write	94.78	53.63 MB/sec [256K blocks]
    			Uncached Read	119.71	35.03 MB/sec [4K blocks]
    			Uncached Read	76.47	38.43 MB/sec [256K blocks]
    		Random	72.82	
    			Uncached Write	40.65	4.30 MB/sec [4K blocks]
    			Uncached Write	95.38	30.53 MB/sec [256K blocks]
    			Uncached Read	90.04	0.64 MB/sec [4K blocks]
    			Uncached Read	114.44	21.23 MB/sec [256K blocks]
    
     
  9. excalibur313 macrumors 6502a

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    Did either of you ask how the macbook supply was in boston or salem? I'm looking at snagging one but they don't take reservations so it's a bit of luck whether you are at the store when they have them.
     
  10. jsw thread starter Moderator emeritus

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    When I was buying my mini (Salem, NH), the guy in front of me had just bought a 2.0GHz MBP. I have no idea if there were any left, but certainly there was at least that one!
     
  11. plinden macrumors 68040

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    Is it possible to try this with "beam synchronization" off (see here)?

    It may be higher if this is also running into the same xbench problem.

    Just out of interest, where did you get the xbench from that you used here? You get pretty much identical disk results to me, but jsw, who apparently has the identical iMac to me (I don't know my HD type yet), gets different results.
     
  12. iHeartTheApple macrumors 6502

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    I saw two people with MacBookPro boxes being rung up at the registers...Didn't ask about supplies though.
     
  13. jsw thread starter Moderator emeritus

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    I'm guessing that the in-store minis don't have the dev tools installed.
    Also just a guess, but since the mini had to be a fresh boot (stores just got them) and I doubt iHeartTheApple brought in a USB drive or CD, it is most likely the version I downloaded today (note the lack of the final tests which were present in your older version).
     
  14. iHeartTheApple macrumors 6502

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    I dowloaded it from the Xbench site. Oops, no I can't do the beam sync thing...I left the store and am now posting this reply back at my office :eek:

    I hope that this post was helpful, I realize that Xbench isn't really considered to be the "standard," but with a line of people and two sales associates watching me, I didn't really have time to dilly-dally around. :( They kept asking me "Can I help you with anything, sir?" haha...I spent a good 15 mins on the thing anyway. At least we know from the pageins/outs that the 512MB of ram isnt gonna cut it, but it's not that big of a surprise. :)
     
  15. kwajo.com macrumors 6502a

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    I'd say that's pretty good. 50% as fast as an ATI X1600 is far faster than I think many of us expected the integrated graphics to be. might even make it comparable to the radeon 9200 in the old model
     
  16. Eidorian macrumors Penryn

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    Ah the dreaded Quartz Beam rears its head again. :rolleyes:
     
  17. tjwett macrumors 68000

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    similar XBench score to the one i got from the Core Duo iMac. as plinden said, something is weird with XBench and the Intels.
     
  18. York-Diuck macrumors member

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    I am curious, what does the page in/outs have to do with the amount of ram? I know its in the system memory section of activity monitor, but I never knew exactly what it was indicating.
     
  19. balamw Moderator

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    It tells you how often the system runs out of RAM and starts swapping things in memory to/from the swap file on the hard drive to keep going.

    (The swap file is used as "virtual" memory to allow tasks that are larger than the physical memory, or just more tasks, to run).

    B
     
  20. macaddict06 macrumors regular

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    Yeah on Tuesday I hit the Apple Store in Milwaukee, they had the Intel Minis there too. No HiFi though. Does anyone know what the ship date is for those, or more importantly, when we will see/hear one in an ARS? Front Row looked pretty good, I was quite impressed. I read one post that a tech at a store in AZ said that they had Tuesday's mystery item(s) in stock....apparently he asked on that Sunday, so cool news there.

    Cheers
     
  21. macaddict06 macrumors regular

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    oh, btw:
    Anyone know if the IR ports are bi-directional? that would be killer
    Also, can you sync remotes? I.e. use the same one for iPod, HiFi, MBP? I can see the disads to that, BUT it would be nice to have one and not....3 or more. Thanks!
     
  22. kiwi-in-uk macrumors 6502a

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    FWIW Xbench (latest version) on a 3 mth old Mini 1.5 / 1GB.

    Results 45.02
    System Info
    Xbench Version 1.2
    System Version 10.4.5 (8H14)
    Physical RAM 1024 MB
    Model PowerMac10,2
    Processor PowerPC G4 @ 1.50 GHz
    L1 Cache 32K (instruction), 32K (data)
    L2 Cache 512K @ 1.50 GHz
    Bus Frequency 167 MHz
    Video Card ATY,RV280
    Drive Type ST9808211A
    CPU Test 59.40
    GCD Loop 118.82 6.26 Mops/sec
    Floating Point Basic 39.36 935.30 Mflop/sec
    vecLib FFT 80.53 2.66 Gflop/sec
    Floating Point Library 47.39 8.25 Mops/sec
    Thread Test 66.40
    Computation 63.17 1.28 Mops/sec, 4 threads
    Lock Contention 69.97 3.01 Mlocks/sec, 4 threads
    Memory Test 30.19
    System 32.79
    Allocate 103.55 380.26 Kalloc/sec
    Fill 32.32 1571.71 MB/sec
    Copy 19.65 405.89 MB/sec
    Stream 27.98
    Copy 27.19 561.61 MB/sec [altivec]
    Scale 27.12 560.23 MB/sec [altivec]
    Add 28.95 616.70 MB/sec [altivec]
    Triad 28.75 615.04 MB/sec [altivec]
    Quartz Graphics Test 61.52
    Line 42.78 2.85 Klines/sec [50% alpha]
    Rectangle 51.31 15.32 Krects/sec [50% alpha]
    Circle 52.22 4.26 Kcircles/sec [50% alpha]
    Bezier 71.48 1.80 Kbeziers/sec [50% alpha]
    Bezier 71.48 1.80 Kbeziers/sec [50% alpha]
    Text 189.71 11.87 Kchars/sec
    OpenGL Graphics Test 75.73
    Spinning Squares 75.73 96.07 frames/sec
    User Interface Test 35.20
    Elements 35.20 161.55 refresh/sec
    Disk Test 30.68
    Sequential 51.43
    Uncached Write 32.18 19.76 MB/sec [4K blocks]
    Uncached Write 50.28 28.45 MB/sec [256K blocks]
    Uncached Read 88.26 25.83 MB/sec [4K blocks]
    Uncached Read 64.57 32.45 MB/sec [256K blocks]
    Random 21.86
    Uncached Write 7.13 0.75 MB/sec [4K blocks]
    Uncached Write 63.63 20.37 MB/sec [256K blocks]
    Uncached Read 64.22 0.46 MB/sec [4K blocks]
    Uncached Read 87.54 16.24 MB/sec [256K blocks]

    .....
    So I presume if memory was bumped up to 1GB on a new machine then it might free up some memory and its results would be even better (than the G4 shown here)
     
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  24. iHeartTheApple macrumors 6502

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    I guess we're going to have to wait for someone to put xbench on their new mini and disable the beam synchronization so we can actually have a realistic comparison...Anyone decided to open theirs yet? :)
     
  25. QCassidy352 macrumors G3

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    the problem, of course, is that xbench is widely known to be totally unreliable... :p
     

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