Intel whitepaper for new GMA 3000 onboard video processor is out!

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  1. LoveMacMini macrumors regular

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    This is great, I'm already satisfied with my 950 (even though it has glaring shortcomings *cough*iwannaplayfarcry*cough*).

    Any advancements in IG is good news in my books, heres to having IG that can rival mid range dedicated chips in 2-3 years when i'm in the market for a new notebook!:D

    Can't help but wish I had one in my MB now tho:( :eek: :D :D

    EDIT: Hey that was post 30! *cue Fable reference* "you have reached, 'Member' status
     
  3. BlizzardBomb macrumors 68030

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  4. Megatron macrumors regular

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    When is this chipset supposed to be out? When will it be found in notebooks? Do they say in the pdf?
     
  5. giganten macrumors 6502a

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    http://www.guru3d.com/newsitem.php?id=4079
    Maybe soon?

    And this DG965SS will use GMA X3000.

    http://www.intel.com/cd/channel/reseller/asmo-na/eng/products/desktop/bdb/dg965ss/feature/index.htm
     
  6. MacSA macrumors 68000

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    End of July eh? Today is the end of July lol....Cool, maybe we will see these go into the mini and macbook soon. :D
     
  7. vv-tim macrumors 6502

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    Integrated graphics will never rival off-board solutions. It's just not practical. They're aimed at different segments of the market.
     
  8. QCassidy352 macrumors G3

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    very exciting. I imagine I'll get a rev. C macbook next summer, and it's good to see that integrated graphics are coming along well. :)
     
  9. Eidorian macrumors Penryn

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    Those would more then likely be mobile and not desktop variants. So see you in Santa Rosa.
     
  10. BlizzardBomb macrumors 68030

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    GMA X3000 has 8 Unified pipelines, not even the Radeon X1300 has that many. It's also clocked higher (well the non-mobile one is).
     
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    Uhhh... I had no idea these were coming out so early? Oh well. :D
     
  12. mkrishnan Moderator emeritus

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    Things go back and forth. It all depends on design priorities. AMD is buying ATI, right? They can take an advanced ATI chipset, minimally modify it, drop it on the motherboard, and in principle call it integrated, in the sense that it's sold as part of the AMD chipset. Granted that this is not what integrated graphics really means right now in practice. But if AMD and Intel are both serious about a broad range of integrated solutions, and use their market vision rather than the immediate profitability to make decisions, there really isn't an obvious reason why an integrated graphics set can't go toe-to-toe with a better-than-average off-board chipset. When you pair that with the savings in system design (for laptop and laptop-like designs) and cost-savings in terms of not needing to build two boards (mobo and the card), it's a really compelling thing for OEMs.

    Things could turn around again, but the way things seem to be moving for the market, for the next 4-7 years, we can argue all we want about not wanting integrated graphics, but their market share is going to keep increasing, and keep swallowing up share of the system portfolios of most OEMs from the bottom up over time....
     
  13. Eidorian macrumors Penryn

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    You are correct. AMD bought ATI for integrated solutions. Now AMD can field an integrated desktop/mobile solution just like Intel fields its integrated graphics and Centrino.

    In defense of Intel's X3000. It's actually quite comparable to the X1300 and 7300.
     
  14. vv-tim macrumors 6502

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    You're comparing today's lowest end external card to tomorrow's best internal.

    I'm fairly sure GMA950 beats out a Geforce MX 4200 as well.
     
  15. DavidC1 macrumors member

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    Of course there is a reason. It's called cost. Cost is very important, if not #1 factor, and integrated graphics increases die size substantially. Its said 90% of the die is integrated graphics for Radeon Xpress 200(Anandtech). Intel charges $7 extra for integrated graphics. $7 can't compete with discrete. When chipsets used to have 7-10 milliont transistors back in Pentium 4 Northwood days, and graphics nowadays have 100+ million(http://www.hardwarezone.com/articles/view.php?cid=3&id=1752) for budget graphics cards....

    Hmm. GMA900 is pretty slow, GF4MX 420 is actually faster than GMA900, but GMA950 got nice driver changes and much better support for games, so I am not sure.

    http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=2427&p=1




    That aside, here are the specs of GMA X3000 for desktop, with GMA 950 in brackets

    667MHz core clock(400MHz)
    Pixel Shader 3.0(2.0)*
    Vertex Shader 3.0 Hardware support(3.0 software)*
    G965/Q965/Q963 datasheets show 4 pixel pipeline fill rate(4 pixel pipeline)'
    Hardware Transform & Lighting(Software, by CPU)*
    32-bit Full Precision FP(24-bit)
    256MB DVMT(128MB)*
    Unified pipelines for Video and 3D**


    *Means it will be supported when the drivers are ready, current driver versions support NONE of the features listed by the *. Even though GMA950's DVMT is said to be 128MB, datasheets say maximum DVMT is actually 224MB, not 128MB. There are talks for 384MB DVMT, so could that be it for GMA X3000??

    **DirectX 10 features will be enabled by driver when DirectX 10 is finalized. That includes Shader Model 4.0 for both Pixel and Vertex shaders. Some Intel documents leaked also indicated OpenGL 2.0, perhaps near DX10 time, now its OGL 1.5.


    I am hoping they'll pull a miracle out, but I guess I might be expecting too much. Expecting previous-gen budget graphics card performance card is too much for integrated. Rumors are Intel wants piece of discrete graphics anyway.
     
  16. dmw007 macrumors G4

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    Some impressive specs.....for integrated graphics..... :)
     
  17. gnasher729 macrumors P6

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    Not a word about performance.
     
  18. gnasher729 macrumors P6

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    Number of pipelines means nothing. How many pixels can be processed in each pipeline in parallel? 1, 2, 4, 8, 16 or more? Or lets just ask, how many programmable 32 bit floating point operations per second max and average?
     
  19. BlizzardBomb macrumors 68030

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    So what do you want me to do? Say it beats a ATI X1900 and will go in a Power Mac? Integrated is all about cheap and affordable. The GMA X3000 will be a fair bit cheaper, cooler and more efficient than an X1300 too. :)

    No website I know of have listed that information, but since when does number of pipelines mean nothing? Would you really want a one pipeline graphics card?
     
  20. manic macrumors regular

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    The mobile 3000 integrated video chipset is only coming out next spring!! only the desktops are being refreshed now!
     
  21. Ryan T. macrumors 6502a

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    This will definately be a step up for the Mini's and Macbooks. Still wouldn't entirely surprise me to see them both get discrete graphics at some point.
     
  22. DavidC1 macrumors member

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    F-O-U-R pixel pipelines according to G965/Q965/Q963 datasheet. EIGHT unified video/3D pipelines, supporting DX10 on LATER driver revisions.

    It probably means its like a 4 pixel pipeline now, and compliant with unified shader for DX10 later.

    Sheesh, am I being ignored here?? I just posted everything about it above.

    Of course nobody knows about performance when NONE of the features is enabled by driver yet.
     

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