iOS 7.1 to Fix Geolocation Issue That Broke Location-Based Apps

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    Apple has reversed a change it made to how users quit location-aware apps in iOS 7. In the new OS, Apple changed how location-aware applications work when they are force-quit by users. In iOS 7.0, users who force quit an app -- by double-tapping the home button and swiping up -- also disable all location-aware functions which previously would continue to run in the background.

    One app in particular, Life360, uses background location abilities to allow family and friends to locate each other. In iOS 7, when a user force quits the app, all location-aware background services were disabled. This caused the company to have a sudden influx of negative reviews and disappointed customers. Some apps even saw 30-50 percent drops in users following the change, according to Life360 CEO Chris Hulls who spoke to MacRumors yesterday.

    Now, in iOS 7.1 beta 5, released a week ago, the change has been reversed and Hulls attributes that to a letter that Life360 and a number of other developers sent to Apple CEO Tim Cook on February 1. In the beta, background location services remain running when an app is force quit, same as in iOS 6.

    VentureBeat has the first several paragraphs of the letter:
    Life360 is a free download on the App Store. [Direct Link]

    Article Link: iOS 7.1 to Fix Geolocation Issue That Broke Location-Based Apps
     
  2. macrumors regular

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    I assume this will fix the native reminders app and Find My Friends too?
     
  3. macrumors 6502

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    User should have total control over location based apps. If I want to kill an app that should be my choice. Simple solution, don't download apps like theres.
     
  4. macrumors 65816

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    No. You can disable location services for each app.
     
  5. macrumors member

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    Hmm... I mean... if someone force closes an app, I wouldn't necessarily say the old behavior was... wrong.
     
  6. macrumors 6502

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    But you wouldn't download a location app to start with to do that. Kill an app should mean kill an app.
     
  7. macrumors 6502

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    People continue to misunderstand when and why to force-quit apps. I know many people who incorrectly think they need to do this routinely to manage their phone's memory use.
     
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    Force-quitting is not just a imaginary placebo from our desktop computing past!

    It's also SUPER useful when a failed app freezes but doesn't exit, meaning that it's still frozen when you come back to it.

    Which happened to me once in 2012.
     
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    Feel the Force, AppDevelopers!

    That will be painful with apps like Foursquare and Flickr as they are right now. I kill them just because they don't terminate location based services for no reason, draining my battery.
     
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    If a user really wants to kill an app, they can outright delete it off their device. That's absolute control!

    Users often download location apps and other apps to try them out. If one turns out useless or bothersome, just delete it.
     
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    this is crap. when i kill an app I mean to kill it, entirely. If I want its features running I will open it again. Kill means stop what your doing not stop half of what your doing.
     
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    Don't just ignore the problem.

    The behaviour requested by these devs and granted by 7.1 beta 5 doesn't make any logical sense.
     
  13. iVoid, Feb 11, 2014
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    Huh? "In iOS 7, when a user force quits the app, all location-aware background services were disabled."

    Well, DUH.

    When I force quit an app i *EXPECT* all processes used by that app to stop running.

    If i want it to keep running, I don't force quit an app.

    I'm amazed that people can't figure that one out.

    So basically, with 7.1 any app that has location services running in the background can't be stopped without disabling location services for that app or rebooting the iPhone.

    Bad idea Apple.
     
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    1. The change in iOS 7 didn't break the apps, the developers broke it themselves by not educating the users as to what happens when the app is forced to be closed.
    2. If I'm force-quitting an app, I expect all processes related to the app to be terminated. By reverting this, it now breaks the whole consistency of explaining things to users, how apps should work, and so on.
    3. Apple, really? Caving in to developers because they're whining about getting bad ratings when it's just a matter of educating users rather than changing something that could hurt the battery life?

    Everybody here who disagrees with this should send an email to Apple to undo this revert because it is not right.

    Now, I'm definitely going to leave bad reviews for those developers who requested such a change.
     
  15. macrumors newbie

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    Regular users are trained to kill

    For years and years, PC / Mac users have been told that by all the experts that when you are done with an application, you should close it or you will run out of memory. Therefore, many users "close" these application without realizing that they are terminating them "with prejudice" and that doing so will prevent many of the features they expect to work and may even be why they downloaded them in the first place.

    What Apple *really* needs to do is create a paradigm that lets you "close" an app (but let its services run), vs. killing an app which would also warn the user of the consequences of doing so. Killing an app with prejudice is probably not what most general users want to do or realize they are doing it.
     
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    If I force kill I want to kill it completely. Ridiculous complaint.
     
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    "In previous versions of iOS, if a user killed an application in the app switcher, developers were still able to get geolocation in the background. With iOS 7, once a user kills an application, all processes are terminated until the user manually restarts the app. We appreciate the intent behind this change, which we realize was done to give users more control over what is running on their phones, but it has caused major unintended consequences. .."

    Hmmm wasn't background refresh feature made for this? Let users decide what application can be executed in the background even if the app is killed?
     
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    its already there, the app should be left running in the background, it's not apples fault that people want to force kill due to old habits.
     
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    No, its not Apples fault. However, you and most other people on this forum are "power users" and not general users. And, when Apple made this change, they did not do a good job informing people that the paradigm of closing an app had changed. You can complain that general users are "stupid" all you want, but Apple is designed to be intuitive for general users and the change they made in iOS 7 was not.
     
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    I get the whole free memory is wasted memory but sometimes it's better to have free memory. Especially when dealing with huge memory hogging apps. The process of writing data into memory directly is going to be faster than making room for the app and then writing into memory. The speed is fairly substantial when you play infinity blade 3 for example.

    And then there's the whole location/battery devouring hung up processes that don't always play nicely in a perfect world. Imagine if you couldn't force power off your computer when it got stuck. Lol
     
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    I totally agree. The main reason I use the Quick Launch to kill apps is to make sure they aren't using Location Services in the background.
     
  22. macrumors newbie

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    Most users don't use the quick launch view for this and they don't realize what they are doing. My mom kills all the apps in the launch view because someone in the ATT store told her it saved battery and she doesn't expect things to stop working.

    I think everyone agrees that people should have control over what is running on their phone, but the average non-power user has no clue what happens when they kill apps. Eventually I hope Apple makes some sort of permission set that let's user decide what happens when a specific app is killed.

    This is the best thing Apple could have done for now. I have a small geo app myself and this was a big problem. I'm glad more prominent developers were able to get Apple's attention to fix this.
     
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    I think this is great news, as a developer and a user.
    All Apple is doing is reverting back to how it always worked pre iOS 7.
     
  24. macrumors newbie

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    Unfortunately this is not the case. Even if background refresh is on, if the app is killed, background refresh stops. This confusion is why Apple needed to do this change - even power users sometimes get confused, so think about the average joe.

    Eventually they should have a permission setting that is more clear.
     
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    Macrumours hit a new low in iOS knowledge and expectations from its users
     

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