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iPhone 4S with A5, Sim-less? "Major New" iPhone 5 Due in 2012

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  1. macrumors bot



    Mac Otakara adds some notes about the upcoming iPhone 4S and iPhone 5 models, according to an anonymous source.
    Essentially, they confirm what has been hinted at in the past. The new 2011 iPhone ("iPhone 4S") will carry an ARM Cortex-A9 CPU (Apple's A5) though they can't confirm if it's single or dual core. Separately, the iPhone 4S will include an improved 8 mega-pixel camera and 3-4 antennas inside to accommodate the dual modes of AT&T and Verizon.

    Separately, Mac Otakara revives an older rumor that the iPhone 4S will be "sim-less". We first heard this rumor back in late 2010, when Apple was said to be working with digital security firm Gemalto to create a custom SIM card that would exist as a built-in chip inside the iPhone to allow users to activate their devices with a broad array of carriers. Orange CEO Stephane Richard essentially confirmed that Apple had explored this "sim-less" option but had also indicated that Apple had decided against using it.
    It may be possible that Apple ignored those suggestions or that this "eSIM" could be a stopgap measure while waiting for the newly proposed smaller SIM standard.

    Article Link: iPhone 4S with A5, Sim-less? "Major New" iPhone 5 Due in 2012
  2. macrumors 68000

    So is there 2 models coming out, or just 2 names for 1 rumored device?
  3. macrumors regular

    That's false.

    Apple is closing its iPhone section of electronics with the immense competition from Samsung as noted in the previous thread.

    Also, now that Samsung has demanded the iPhone 5 and the next iPad, Samsung is going to be the one releasing the next iPhone.

  4. macrumors newbie

    It's kind of a no-brainer that there is going to be the iPhone 5 in 2012 and the iPhone 4S this Fall...
  5. macrumors Pentium


    Again with this non-sense about iPhone 4S vs iPhone 5. The iPhone 3GS was named so because it was the same generation as the iPhone 3G, it's because the iPhone 3G didn't fit in the generations.

    They aren't going to call the 6th generation iPhone, the iPhone 5.
  6. asdf542, May 30, 2011
    Last edited: May 30, 2011

    macrumors 6502

    Naming scheme fail? There will be no iPhone 5 if there is an iPhone 4S.

    iPhone = 1st
    iPhone 3G = 2nd
    iPhone 3GS = 3rd
    iPhone 4 = 4th (Notice how this isn't the iPhone 3)
    iPhone 5/4S = 5th
    iPhone 6/4G = 6th

    Also let's see how many thumbs down I can get for fun.
  7. macrumors 6502


    We'll see. :rolleyes:
  8. macrumors regular


    eSIM being a stop gap before the smaller sim?


    If you make a phone that doesn't need a sim card why would you update it with one that does.
  9. macrumors 68020


    I like the current upgrade plan Apple has; it's fitting well with my contract. Each time my contract is up, there's a big revision to the iPhone line, while in the middle of my contract there have been "speed bumps." Keep it up, Apple! :D
  10. macrumors 6502

    The amount of ******** in these rumours is incredible. It will be a spec update sporting the same case design as the 4. It may be unified for both GSM and CDMA but then again the iPad 2 wasn't.

    The idea of a non user replaceable sim is also laughable at this moment in time.

    All this will do is disappoint when it is unveiled.
  11. arn
    macrumors god


    Staff Member

    because the carriers don't like it?

  12. macrumors Pentium


    I was thrilled when they announced the 3GS, it was a major upgrade from the 3G. Moreso than the iPhone 4 was for the 3GS. Now that was a "meh" update. Just changing the outside look and mostly keeping the same internals.
  13. macrumors 6502

    Been waiting for this to happen... now what phone card to put in during vacation to Italy?
  14. macrumors regular

    3... 2... 1...

    and here we go with a new name calling competition.

    I am sure its going to be called: iGalaxyPhone.

  15. macrumors 68040


    Why wouldn't the 6th iPhone be called iPhone 4G if it has 4G technology?
  16. macrumors 6502

    They can call it whatever they want, I simply put it in there as a placeholder to show that 5 would not be the number they would put after it should they decide to go with that option over 4G.
  17. macrumors 6502

    I have a 3G and was unimpressed with the 3GS. Something faster isn't going to impress me. A speed gain is the baseline of what to expect, that alone won't sell me a phone.
  18. macrumors regular

    really not bothered unless there is something amazing about the next gen, the iPhone 4 is good enough for me at the moment, time will tell though
  19. macrumors 604


    Built in SIM? ... oh hell no. Don't remove one of the advantages of having a GSM phone.
    I'll take the dual A5 and 8mp camera though. Coming from a 3GS, I'll be fine.
  20. macrumors 68030

    Agreed. Carriers in Canada make you wait two years to upgrade. Works for me!
  21. macrumors 68040


    As long as iPhone 4 is iOS 5 upgradeable, I don't care about the 4S.
  22. macrumors 68000


    Don't click the link to the original article unless you are fluent in Japanese. Google translate just chokes, its really funny.
  23. macrumors 603


    looks like i started my iphone cycle just at the right time, i got the 3G not caring about the 3GS i got the 4 won't be caring about the "4S". looks like i'll be always up for the redesign refresh :) couldnt be happier and less jealous about it lol
  24. Cougarcat, May 30, 2011
    Last edited: May 30, 2011

    macrumors 603

    The Retina display is what made the iPhone 4, IMO. CPU upgrades alone don't interest me. Then again, I never used an iPhone 3G, so I have no idea what kind of a speed boost the 3GS was.

    If apple does go sim-less, it would be for aesthetic/technical reasons, allowing them to get rid of the slot and make the phone smaller. I hope they don't, though, as that would kill its international functionality.
  25. macrumors 6502


    Sim-less or built in Sim = no buy for me.

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