iPhone App Piracy

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  1. macrumors bot

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    Category: Apple Software
    Link: iPhone App Piracy
    Description:: Some kids just want it all for free and they want it all yesterday and they still want to get paid the big bucks when they get a day job - go figure.

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    iParis

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    It was bound to happen eventually.
    Although, a couple of my friends have been doing this for awhile, I'm surprised this is my first time seeing something about it on the internet. Isn't the iPhone Dev team part to blame?
     
  3. macrumors 68020

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    There have been a number of articles about this, actually. Also (from the article): "Before you spend ten dollars on an app, you might want to give it a try. Currently, the App Store offers no options for this." Not true; it's not that uncommon for apps, particularly games, to have demo or "lite" versions.

    --Eirc
     
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    dissdnt

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    Did a 4 year old write this article?

    Welcome to the internet dude.

    ISP knowingly permit sites? What ISP is tracking everything a user is doing, is this person insane.

    If your so worried, join the NSA or something you communist.

    There is no gray area for free speech, either you are for or your against. Posting illegal copies of software is illegal, telling people how to do it is free speech. I can't stand people who say they are for free speech and then say BUT THIS CROSSES THE LINE, there is no line.
     
  5. macrumors 6502

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    More like become a lawyer and join the BSA.
     
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    alexbates

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    This is nothing new. People have been doing this with their jailbroken iPhones and iPods for quite some time now.
     
  7. macrumors 68000

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    That's quite a rage you've got going on there! Personally I didn't find anything in the article worth getting upset about (especially that upset). The author of the article is the founder of Macfixit, not just some random guy off the street.

    And just so you know, ISPs do keep a log of all of the websites their customers visit. They don't check them (this would be unethical), but the logs are there.

    You don't have to like people who say that there is a grey area for free speech, but you need to respect their right to freely say that there is a grey area. That's free speech. ;)

    Yes yes, but I challenge you to go and stand in front of a police station handing out instruction leaflets on how to steal cars. See what happens to your 'free speech' then.
     
  8. macrumors 65816

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    Nothing. And if something does, sue the bastards. The ALCU is waiting for you.
     
  9. macrumors 6502a

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    It's the common mistake that talking about something and actually doing it are both covered under the same free speech rules.

    If you kill someone, you're not charged under any laws relating to speech, nor can you claim free speech as a defence in the way you could attempt to if you were simply talking about how you were going to kill them. Likewise, if you post instructions on how to break the law and steal things, you may possibly be able to get away with a free speech defence, but if you use those instructions, you are still just a common thief, not a champion of speech and equality and all those other buzzword things that such people like to toss around to rationalize their theft.

    In addition, there are caveats about responsible free speech including inciting, threatening and so forth, which people always like to leave out because it allows them to polarize the discussion. Reality is much less interesting than pretending that you can say anything you want, any time, anywhere.
     
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    I totally agree. There really is a grey area, isn't there?

    I found this quote from a lawyer online (my research wasn't particularly scientific but you get the point)...

     
  11. macrumors 6502

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    Handing out information is doing something, not speech.

    Defamatory remarks meant to create public contempt is called libel, and is not legal.

    Lying to officials during a criminal investigations is speech, and is not legal.

    Telling a hit man to kill someone is speech, and is tantamount to murder.

    Whenever you effect dire consequences weather directly or through speech, there's going to be legal repercussions for you.
     
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    So based on your statement, producing and distributing an instructional video on how to steal falls under different laws from free speech. Fair enough.
     
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    They have to permit the site. Net Neutrality + Free Speech = Postings Like These. If you don't like what they say; fine. But you need to respect their right to say it.

    Information is information is information. It can be used for good or bad. For example - someone can read this article and figure out a new way to stop this method of piracy. Bad - new pirates. Take it all with a grain of salt.


    1) Defamatory remarks need to be directed at a person. Other things are free game. (I'm not 100% sure about a company.)

    2)Lying to officals is perfectly legal. As long as they are not the FBI. You can lie all you want to your local cops. Even the FBI needs to inform you that you cannot lie to them before they can charge you with anything.

    3) Telling a man to kill someone is tantamount to murder, you are right. However if I said that I wished someone was killed, I'm fine. Same thing if I told people how to kill someone. I just cannot use a command tone.

    4) Not quite so true. Maybe in civil court ... even then it's blurry. A good rule of thumb is that, "your right to wave your hand in the air stops where my nose begins." Don't yell fire in a crowded theater.

    Oh and this should be added that actions are speech. Protesting? Flag Burning? Just "speech" has been interpreted to mean "any means of expressing your views."


    Agreed. Nothing to burn the barn over. (I like that expression. I think I just made it up. I'm claiming a copyright to it.) :-D


    Some do, not all. And some destroy those records after a given time. (Months - I think it should be a law that all data such as that must be destroyed a given period of non-investigation)

    "I disagree whole heartily with what you are saying sir, but I'll fight to the death your right to say it."


    No problem. I'd do that. I'd even do it with instructions on how to make a gun or bomb. I won't tell people to do it. In fact, I'd likely tell people not to do it and offer them suggestions on how to spot a bomb maker with the information provided.

    I think a few of us should take a look at this video:



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OE5QsT5tJWs&eurl=http://thepiratesdilemma.com/about-the-book

    What do you all think about that clip?
     
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    ^^^You need to put a few more QUOTE tags in your post - it looks like I said all of that! :)
     
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    Compile 'em all

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    do you also blame knife makers for all the stabbings? match makers for all the fires?

    Without the dev team you wouldnt have had the appstore nor a native sdk.
     
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    Are you talking about visually or with ideas? Meaning - does it look like one big block quote or do you think I'm reusing your ideas?
     
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    Visually - it's all one big block quote. Don't worry, I don't think you're reusing my ideas! :)

    Tobacco companies for all the lung cancer? Huh huh? That's a good one eh... ;)
     
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    Fixed. Thanks for pointing that out!
     
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    Out of control piracy....

    Just released a game.. A very well done one with a lot invested and a LOT of time....

    +300 sales in 4 days...
    +3500 uniquely identified phones = theifs...

    That will crush me... with the bandwith consumption alone not to mention not being worth my time invested......
     
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    ~8% legitimate users :eek::eek:

    Sorry to hear, that is quite shocking.

    Is your application expensive in terms of iPhone applications?
     
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    Insane...
     
  23. macrumors newbie

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    No not at all.. and shocking yes.. depressing yes... Those numbers are the worst I have ever seen in any piracy venue (Spent many years in the AAA games industry). I had to double check my data and wipe my eyes..

    4.99 for about three months of day and late night labor. Not to bad at all. A bad movie at blockbuster cost you more and has far far less entertainment value. And at these profit levels as opposed to piracy digging ditches 8 hours a day as opposed to 12-16 hour days making apps for less monety... digging sounds rather appealing now...at least I get a workout..

    Sadly, we hear nothing from apple. If they would but put a 10 person staff or less towards hunting and shutting down sites they really could put a HUGE dent in this. The money I am losing alone could pay a couple of their salaries. If I see you guys at the soup line I will grab a biscuit for you all! =)

    P.S. I have every mode out there demonstrating what my app is like from movies to websites...

    Funny what should I do with all these Device identifiers..I wish apple wanted them...

    /rant

    ahh I feel better now...
     
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    "Welcome to the internet dude." --- gotta agree.
     
  25. macrumors 65816

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    Curious, what is your app?
     

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