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age234

macrumors 6502
Jun 28, 2004
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Regarding video playback, I liked it better when it would rotate based on the orientation of the device.

Maybe that wasn't working reliably or something. Too bad.
 

massiv

macrumors member
Sep 9, 2006
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funny…

i was all set to buy the iphone. i even have one set aside at an at&t store :cool: but unless apple truly impresses me at launch i may have to cancel. yea! i can browse the internet while chatting with a mate. very useful indeed. oh but wait, i can't send a pic or vid of my daughter doing something super funny because… why? who knows? i am getting kind of sick of the Apple, what we don't tell you is good for you. as is with any popular trend i think the novelty of apple secrecy may be wearing off. seriously. if you want me to spend $600 on a ***** phone you better give me all the bullets i can relay to the wifey on why that money needs to be expensed. i am not rich and not poor but a huge apple fan. to tell you the truth these specs do not impress me at all. and if they wait until launch to expose some (not earth shattering) but current features that most high end phones have, that are lacking from this leaked skill set, i will be more than unimpressed but insulted. they have a huge hurdle to overcome from just this manual. you need to make it useful not just easier. and if this document is any indication Apple is betting on their marketing more than their engineering.
 

Hls811

macrumors 6502a
Apr 19, 2004
832
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New Jersey
Actually, people with MMS can email their MMS messages to an email address on most phones I've used, and replying to the phone's email ie phonenumber@cingularme.com will allow you to reply with a message that includes multimedia attachments, like an MMS message. At least I've done it that way before.

You're trying to justify and work around the fact that MMS is a standard feature on nearly EVERY phone out there nowadays. This isn't some new, leading edge technology - its been on phones for quite some time. This is a multimedia device - and supposedly one of the greatest ever, yet its lacking a basic function you can get from a cheesy free phone.


Its funny.. as I write this I'm thinking I sound exactly like I did when I first saw the iMac without a floppy drive... :) "How can you take away something as critical as a disk drive?!?! People NEED floppy drives!!! this'll be the end of Apple!" LMAO @ myself!
 

bdj21ya

macrumors 6502a
Sep 13, 2006
559
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I'm sure it will.

I hope it does. It seems like on an airplane would be one of the greatest uses for a widescreen video iPod. Bigger question: You guys actually worry about turning off your phone? It really doesn't make a difference if you ignore them.
 

age234

macrumors 6502
Jun 28, 2004
376
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OK, I have a question that I have not seen anywhere yet. What about on an airplane? Cell phones can't be used at all, but if I want to watch a movie (a main reason for me to have a widescreen iPod) I can't, because I can't turn on my cell phone. Will the iPhone have an airplane mode? I'm thinking it won't.

I'm sure the flight attendants wouldn't know it was a phone anyway (not saying they're stupid, they just have other things to worry about than determining if everything is a phone). Just turn it off during takeoff and landing, and it's an iPod the rest of the time, as far as they're concerned.
 

Photography

macrumors 65816
Apr 10, 2007
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I'm sure the flight attendants wouldn't know it was a phone anyway. Just turn it off during takeoff and landing, and it's an iPod the rest of the time, as far as they're concerned.

Right, because after all, it is an iPod as well, and not just a phone.
 

Hls811

macrumors 6502a
Apr 19, 2004
832
46
New Jersey
OK, I have a question that I have not seen anywhere yet. What about on an airplane? Cell phones can't be used at all, but if I want to watch a movie (a main reason for me to have a widescreen iPod) I can't, because I can't turn on my cell phone. Will the iPhone have an airplane mode? I'm thinking it won't.

I'd be surprised if it didn't have the ability to turn the wireless radio(s) off.. I'm sure its an option in the settings/profile somewhere. Its not listed in the book, but it doesn't show anything about profiles...

We'll have to wait for Cindy to break into the AT&T store again to get Chapter 2 for that! :)
 

juststranded

macrumors regular
Oct 6, 2006
150
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You're trying to justify and work around the fact that MMS is a standard feature on nearly EVERY phone out there nowadays. This isn't some new, leading edge technology - its been on phones for quite some time. This is a multimedia device - and supposedly one of the greatest ever, yet its lacking a basic function you can get from a cheesy free phone.


Its funny.. as I write this I'm thinking I sound exactly like I did when I first saw the iMac without a floppy drive... :) "How can you take away something as critical as a disk drive?!?! People NEED floppy drives!!! this'll be the end of Apple!" LMAO @ myself!

Floppy drives and 56k modems were good solid technologies at one time too. If Apple can make do without MMS to use a better more cost-efficient system that works more seemless, then I say do it.

Now let's just hope they do that and aren't just screwing us out of a standard feature.

Edit: Whoops! I didn't see that bottom line there. I thought it was your signarture and skipped over it. Sorry.
 

bdj21ya

macrumors 6502a
Sep 13, 2006
559
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Regarding video playback, I liked it better when it would rotate based on the orientation of the device.

Maybe that wasn't working reliably or something. Too bad.

I thought this was cool too, but apparently they've removed the feature (or these manuals are just wrong--a distinct possibility). However, now that I'm thinking about it, why would I ever want to play my video in portrait orientation???
 

CoreWeb

macrumors 6502
Mar 2, 2007
456
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Edge of reason
I don't know. What are they going to say when I ask why the iPhone can't give turn-by-turn directions just like my RAZR?

It probably can give you turn by turn directions. It supports directions on Google maps. It just doesn't know exactly where you are (using GPS, at any rate) at any given time.
 

Hls811

macrumors 6502a
Apr 19, 2004
832
46
New Jersey
Which is illegal (and very stupid) to do on an airplane.


Its not illegal, its a policy SOME airlines put in place. Theres no laws saying you HAVE to have your phone off.


Flight Mode
AKA airplane mode, offline mode, or standalone mode

Some phones and other wireless devices have a special "flight" or "airplane" mode that turns off just the wireless radio parts of the device, for safe use on an airplane where radio transmitters are not allowed.

Most airlines and many governments ban the use of wireless radio devices during flight, to prevent interference with the plane's radio and navigation systems.

Airplane mode therefore allows the user to safely use the non-wireless functions of a phone (such as music, games or organizer functions) on an airplane during flight.

However, not all airlines have policies that accomodate devices with airplane mode; some airlines still ban the use of all phones during flight regardless.
 

rajid

macrumors member
Jun 8, 2007
43
3
Re. GPS capability, there was a government mandate a while back which required all cell phones sold after sometime in 2003 or so (I think) to be able to report their location. While it's possible to triangulate your location to some extent using cell tower location and signal strength information, I've heard that most cell phone companies are just opt'ing for including GPS in the phone. Supposedly it costs on the order of $50/phone todo this, at most. And I've read that most cell phones these days will report this information only when you dial 911 and that this information is usually not made available to the cell phone user. All Apple would need to do is make this information available to the software on the phone. That's not really a full "GPS", but the phone HAS to know where you are, supposedly.

Then there's this:

<http://crunchgear.com/2007/06/04/iphone-rumor-4629000/>
 

talktozachary

macrumors newbie
Jun 8, 2007
12
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Florida, USA
As it has been discussed, Google Maps probably had the user's zip code set to use for searches. But hey, it might be an added feature at the launch!

I have Google Maps on my Blackberry Pearl (looks just like the iPhone version, without the sleeker graffics/UI). How it works is that if you are looking at a particular city, doing a search for a business will bring up matches within that city. If you've been looking at the Eiffel tower and you want to search for a Starbucks in NYC, you'd type "starbucks nyc." Of course, the iPhone might have a "home zip code" feature, but I've never had the need for it on my Blackberry.

Also, Google Maps does do turn-by-turn directions, it's just more of a "mapquest-style app" than GPS.

Oh, and if I do a "seafood" search in san francisco that restaurant in the commercial doesn't come up (others do), but if I search for it by name it does. Apple seafood conspiracy.
 

bdj21ya

macrumors 6502a
Sep 13, 2006
559
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Which is illegal (and very stupid) to do on an airplane.

Seriously? If the phones actually posed any significant danger do you really think they would be so casual about this? Personally, I would never fly if I knew that my life is now going to depend on Joe Blow in seat 17B who can't even remember to turn his phone off during a movie.
 

CoreWeb

macrumors 6502
Mar 2, 2007
456
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Edge of reason
Its not illegal, its a policy SOME airlines put in place. Theres no laws saying you HAVE to have your phone off.[/B]

Actually, I thought that if it is airline policy, it is (in the U.S.) illegal, as it is federally mandated that passengers comply with crew member constructions. I'm half-asleep at the moment, so I could be very wrong... as evidenced by my above post, which replied to someone who had already been replied to. :eek:
 

bdj21ya

macrumors 6502a
Sep 13, 2006
559
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I have Google Maps on my Blackberry Pearl (looks just like the iPhone version, without the sleeker graffics/UI). How it works is that if you are looking at a particular city, doing a search for a business will bring up matches within that city. If you've been looking at the Eiffel tower and you want to search for a Starbucks in NYC, you'd type "starbucks nyc." Of course, the iPhone might have a "home zip code" feature, but I've never had the need for it on my Blackberry.

Also, Google Maps does do turn-by-turn directions, it's just more of a "mapquest-style app" than GPS.

Oh, and if I do a "seafood" search in san francisco that restaurant in the commercial doesn't come up (others do), but if I search for it by name it does. Apple seafood conspiracy.

I'd just like to voice my offense at your comparison of mapquest and google maps. Google maps is elegant and uncluttered. Mapquest is crap.
 

keenkreations

macrumors regular
May 20, 2005
129
9
To be honest, I always just forget - it's not intentional. In any case, I don't see why it's stupid, considering it has never caused any problems?

Well, the reason they say not to have phones on is because ground based communication can be messed up. At any one time, you can take up a phone slot on a communication mobile phone tower, or three. On the ground. By being in the air, you can take more than a few towers and congest the cell network. This is from what I read awhile back.
 

EricNau

Moderator emeritus
Apr 27, 2005
10,728
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San Francisco, CA
To be honest, I always just forget - it's not intentional. In any case, I don't see why it's stupid, considering it has never caused any problems?
In this day and age, anytime you fail to follow the rules on an airplane it is stupid. You act slightly suspicious and before you know it they're landing the plane and escorting you off in handcuffs ...Having a cellphone powered on mid-flight is especially risky for two reasons: 1) it's illegal to begin with, and 2) they may believe that you're using it to remotely activate explosives.

...And quite frankly, I don't see how you could honestly forget, considering that the airlines remind you repeatedly.
 

bdj21ya

macrumors 6502a
Sep 13, 2006
559
0
In this day and age, anytime you fail to follow the rules on an airplane it is stupid. You act slightly suspicious and before you know it they're landing the plane and escorting you off in handcuffs ...Having a cellphone powered on mid-flight is especially risky for two reasons: 1) it's illegal to begin with, and 2) they may believe that you're using it to remotely activate explosives.

...And quite frankly, I don't see how you could honestly forget, considering that the airlines remind you repeatedly.

I disagree, I'm pretty sure they would just ask you politely to turn it off. It would be pretty stupid of them to arrest their customers instead of just making a polite request. Perhaps they might ask to have the phone for the duration of the flight if they were feeling edgy that day, but escorting you off in handcuffs? Doesn't seem likely.
 
Lack of instant messaging just seems silly -- all it takes is software, and simple software!!! Oh well, I guess I understand that AT&T needs people to pay for text messaging, instead, and apple didn't choose to use their leverage on that, but instead on things like bigger profits (share of the subscription, assuming that rumor is true).

I'd like to see that, and GPS, and a hundred bucks less, and I'll buy. Of course, by the time they do that I'll expect more memory and faster intertet. No doubt most of those will come, and no doubt they'll sell plenty until then (well, almost no doubt.)

Now, when will I first get to see one?
 

EricNau

Moderator emeritus
Apr 27, 2005
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San Francisco, CA
Its not illegal, its a policy SOME airlines put in place. Theres no laws saying you HAVE to have your phone off.
The FCC and FAA beg to differ.

http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/consumerfacts/cellonplanes.html


Flight Mode
AKA airplane mode, offline mode, or standalone mode

Some phones and other wireless devices have a special "flight" or "airplane" mode that turns off just the wireless radio parts of the device, for safe use on an airplane where radio transmitters are not allowed.

Most airlines and many governments ban the use of wireless radio devices during flight, to prevent interference with the plane's radio and navigation systems.

Airplane mode therefore allows the user to safely use the non-wireless functions of a phone (such as music, games or organizer functions) on an airplane during flight.

However, not all airlines have policies that accomodate devices with airplane mode; some airlines still ban the use of all phones during flight regardless.
You don't seem to be interpreting this correctly. ...Some airlines will allow the use of a cellphone ONLY when in 'airplane mode' and other airlines ban the use of cellphones COMPLETELY.

No airline will allow you to use the wireless functions of a cellphone mid-flight.
 

JasonJack

macrumors newbie
Aug 3, 2006
12
0
I thought this was cool too, but apparently they've removed the feature (or these manuals are just wrong--a distinct possibility). However, now that I'm thinking about it, why would I ever want to play my video in portrait orientation???



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