10 gb iPod (old style) are on sale at the Apple Store - Refurb section for $199. (Both Mac and Windows version.) I highly doubt that these are refurbished. I think they are still new but since Apple's got newer models, they need a way to get rid of them. If you don't need larger capacity and/or don't care for the new model, this is a great deal... Old 10gb comes with the case and remote too.