Is Apple running out of ideas?

Discussion in 'OS X Mountain Lion (10.8)' started by Retina MacBook, Jul 21, 2012.

  1. macrumors regular

    Jul 19, 2012
    Leopard was the biggest leap in OS X's history. Then Snow Leopard barely had anything new, just refinements. Lion had a UI tweak and Mountain Lion has a bunch of Apps.

    Let's face it - Mountain Lion isn't shockingly amazing. No one would camp outside the Apple Store just to grab a USB of ML.

    But Mountain Lion is a good upgrade, just not much over Lion.

    Is Apple running out of ideas?
  2. macrumors P6


    Mar 20, 2004
    "Between the Hedges"
    I seriously doubt their well has run dry on ideas

    Technology always evolves and goes in cycles
    Sometimes in giant leaps
    Sometimes incrementally

    I am sure they have some things in R&D
  3. macrumors newbie


    May 1, 2012
    Tiger=Probably the prettiest and fastest Version of OS X

    Snow Leopard=Probably the best overall!

    Mountain Lion(As of yet)=Good but unfortunately has no real new things except a lack of support for a LOT of software.

    Who knows what apple will have thought of by OS XI 11.0 Giraffe...
  4. macrumors 601


    Jan 11, 2012
    Pacific Coast, USA
    I believe Apple is staffed with very creative people.

    Now that the man that took credit for everything has left, I've heard that Apple employee moral has truly improved. Not that it was particularly bad before, let's just say it was a bit suppressed.

    The only concern I have, is based solely on recent product releases and the apparent (if true) lack of a freshly revamped iPhone. I'm not sure just how the narrow, longer display will be received. I'm sure it will sell very well, after all it's the Apple Hype Machine that lures people in.

    That said, the question that lingers in my mind is just how much _better_ would a fresh, new, slightly wider and proportional iPhone have done in the market place? :)
  5. macrumors G4


    Mar 24, 2006
    *sigh* You guys and the unrealistic and unreasonable expectations you heap on this company.

    I hope you realise that it is still a company run by Humans not Unicorns, Magical Elves or Fairies with Pixie Dust.

    You guys sound like addicts waiting for the next 'fix' from your dealer.
  6. macrumors 65816


    Oct 17, 2008
    What do you want your os to do? Cook for you? OSX is by far the most superior OS available.
  7. macrumors 68000


    Jul 27, 2003
    I'll repost something I wrote a few months ago about this:

    Quite frankly, there's not much that I'm personally missing from operating systems these days, feature-wise.

    Both Windows and OS X have matured to the point where each release is not going to be a massive update with dozens of big new features. And Mountain Lion's price reflects this: it's $19. Apple is switching to the iOS model for OS X updates: yearly, incremental, and cheap.
  8. macrumors regular

    Nov 19, 2011
    How bout this for a new idea/big leap, what if when apple gets to OS 11.x they announce they'll be discontinuing software development for their mac line and will be focusing all their efforts on iOS. :cool:
  9. macrumors regular


    Nov 6, 2004
    I don't know, perhaps back then there was no iOS and iOS devices so Macs and OSX got all the attention, nowadays it's split between the two. Hopefully OSX's future is bright and wont turn into or abandoned in favour of iOS.
  10. macrumors G4

    Jul 17, 2002
    This is an awfully big assertion for someone to make without hint of the criteria he is basing his assertion on. Leopard was Apple's first UNIX 03-certified operating system. This is a huge deal in a lot of respects. I mean that is a good way. However, Leopard was also the first version of MacOS X that did not support Classic. For someone whose first experience with MacOS X was OS X 10.7.3, that means nothing. For someone who has files dating back to cave paintings, it can be an issue.

    To the ordinary user who only cares about the work that his/her computer allows him/her to do, I contend that Leopard is an evolutionary step. Lion, which changed the MacOS X UI, was a bigger step. Show me the errors in my analysis.
  11. macrumors 604

    Sep 17, 2009
    Melbourne, Australia
    How bout this for a new idea/big leap, what if Tim Cook shoots himself in the foot? :cool:
  12. thread starter macrumors regular

    Jul 19, 2012
    Classic was useless, anyway. Barely anyone had a file that is from the time of the dinosaurs. And it really was time to go. And that's why Apple also abandoned PPC on Snow Leopard, and Rosetta on Lion. Forget them. It's not like you're working with them til today.

    The UI is just the buttons and the scroll bar. Not much, compared to tiger vs. leopard. Now, that's huge.
  13. macrumors 603


    Jul 3, 2002
    Middle Earth
    What does their patent portfolio say to you?
  14. macrumors regular

    Jan 6, 2011
    I generally don't camp outside for any products, but I'm really excited about Mountain Lion. It's cheap and it adds great features.

    I think the addition of Game Center is huge, as the Mac is not really known as a gaming platform. I'm looking forward to iMessage, as I'll be able to send free messages to iOS devices and Macs. That's great... because AIM usage seems to have waned.

    I'm looking forward to iCloud features, like reminders and notes. I'm also looking forward to testing out the new dictation feature.

    Plus, I was cheap. I didn't upgrade my Mac Mini to Lion. I'm basically saving $29.99 (plus tax) by skipping it.

    I really like Snow Leopard. I don't like the loss of Rosetta. Although, since I really wasn't using it, I'm getting ready to upgrade to Mountain Lion.
  15. macrumors regular

    Nov 19, 2011
    Mindblown! :eek:
  16. macrumors 68030

    Krazy Bill

    Dec 21, 2011
    As implied in another post... it's all about iOS. OSX has about one more version, then it's all going to be merged.
  17. macrumors P6


    Mar 20, 2004
    "Between the Hedges"
    I don't see them ever being completely merged
    Too many hurdles until we have enough advancements to do the type things we see in the movies with virtual screens and holograms
  18. macrumors 6502


    Sep 4, 2010
    North Carolina, USA
    I highly doubt it will be merged. That would be a software nightmare to pull off.
    OSX has reached a point where it very mature and the only thing really left is cloud integration. iOS is getting most of the attention because it has only begun in terms of ability and function. Apple has promised yearly updates to OSX. Apple is not getting rid of OSX, but its to a point where it does not need as much attention.
  19. macrumors 68040

    cocky jeremy

    Jul 12, 2008
    Huntington, WV
    Tiger is in NO way prettier than Leopard, SL, Lion, ML.
  20. macrumors 603


    Jul 3, 2002
    Middle Earth
    No it will not
  21. macrumors G4

    Jul 17, 2002
    How would you know? I'd bet dollars to donuts that you don't have a clue.

    Do you actually believe that people threw away their old mission-critical files?

    But I digress... You still have not supported your contention that Leopard was the biggest leap in MacOS X. It is worth noting that no one has yet supported your contention.
  22. macrumors Core

    Jan 6, 2004
    out of ideas? certainly not. i think as time goes on we'll see less 'features' as consumers but developers will be the ones to get the features though APIs and the like which lets them create better, more integrated applications. and i think thats were the real growth has been and will continue with a few tweaks here and there for the everyday consumer.
  23. macrumors 601

    Jun 19, 2007
    Plymouth, MN
    Cite please. I’ll give you a hint that version numbers aren’t necessarily decimals.
  24. Guest

    Apr 17, 2005
    Currently in Switzerland
    The answer is an easy YES. Ever since SL, Mac OS X is nothing more than a bunch of patches - almost ZERO exciting and/or innovative under-the-hood or visible features.

    No new/revamped Finder, no new file system, no mindblowing interface changes, no major codec support measures etc.

    And with SJ down, the hopes of Apple refocusing on OS X with a team of TRUE geniuses are virtually nonexistent. In the meantime, ordinary customers may jump up and down about the latest integration of "reminders" into OS X...while longtime users cringe with disappointment.
  25. macrumors 6502a

    Nov 9, 2010
    Totally agree.

    Since Apple has spent so much time on developing iOS and the infrastructure for the App Stores, they have totally left out fundamental new ideas in the area of base technologies.

    Filesystem (clustered with "cloud" support)

    Drivers (Mac once was capable of driving external hardware, nowadays noone cares anymore if it's not USB carp)

    Graphics Techoloogy (No real advances in OpenGL, Quartz is years old, no real resolution independence)

    What I call "mobile identity", don't migrate files, migrate abstract profiles to different devices.

    Apple has told us so often that fileszstems are outdated, but the only thing they come up with is blobs in an sqlite database hidden on every volume.

    Networked Spotlight, I mean the real thing, Internet enabled.

    IPv6 private networks whereever you are.
    Back To My Mac was a great idea, but they dropped it because of interface gimmicks.

    I could go on for hours. There's no innovation at all regarding the core system.

    Only shinnier hardware specs and people telling us we don't need to cahnge anything because next year we buy the latest crap anyways.

    I own a MacPro and will keep it until hell freezes over.

    Amen, whoever started that topic, yeah absolutly right.
    Apple is loosing it.

    (I will NEVER buy that Retina MBP.... NEVER... And I have a job and could afford it)

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