Is OSX so bad as he says?

Discussion in 'General Mac Discussion' started by Likvid, Oct 14, 2003.

  1. macrumors member

    Jul 20, 2003
    I came over this letter from a guy on another forum.

    Is OSX so bad as he says it is? he says it's designed for stupid people and that's why they still use one-button mouse also.

    I don't want to buy a product designed to ease for stupid people, then i can stick to my PC.Read on and comment please...


    Well, neither the AP Extreme in the Mac nor the any of the centrino goodies in the IBM will work for you under Linux. The APx card will probably never be supported and you'll have to wait for closed-source driverd from Intel for the Centrino.

    I bought a 12" PB for my fiancee and while a nicely designed piece of kit it is, I hate using it. OSX is the single most unstable, ureliable piece of **** OS I have used since Windows 98. I simply can't fathom what crap OS9 must have been for Mac fanboys to be so excited about OS X. How anyone could take BSD UNIX and make it suck is beyond me. Sure it's lickable and fun and all that, but it was designed with stupid people in mind: Make all the day-to-day stuff mind-numbingly easy, but when you want to do something remotley complicated like add an smb printer it's like you're running FreeBSD - editing cupsd.conf from the terminal becaus the entire /etc directory is hidden in the Finder. OS X is like having all the drawbacks of Windows combined with all the drawbacks of Mac OS Classic... At double the price.

    Not to mention the actual hardware. It's Aluminium people... it's not a strong metal. It scratches, dents, bends, etc. within weeks of buying it. My faincee carries her's in a $60 padded Tumi laptop sleve inside a messanger bag, and it still has dents and scratches. And what the **** is with a one-button mouse. Unix has always used 3 buttons, in Xfree you "emulate3buttons" when you have two, what the **** am I supposed to do with just one? Oh yeah, did I mention it's slow? Considering the eye-candy present in the OS, you'd think that they'd back it up with hardware, but nope, no such luck. Just moving your mouse along the dock pegs the CPU at 100% let alone trying that with some software running. I'd say the 867 MHz PB 12" running OS X is on par with a P3 600 runningLinux with a full DE like KDE or Gnome - at about 5x the price.

  2. macrumors member

    Jul 23, 2003
    there will always be people who love it and there will always be those who hate it

    and no, it's not that bad
  3. Guest


    Feb 17, 2003
    Hitchin, Herts, UK
    The guy is a Linux user. I used to be one as well. The mouse thing has been doen to death. If you have a powerbook. NOONE MAKES YOU BUY AN APPLE MOUSE!!!! Buy a three button mouse from logitech or whoever it will work. Jesus, how many more times...

    Anyway. As I said I have used KDE on Linux and let me tell you it ain't all that. There is a speed penalty for all the OS X nicities on top of Unix but in my opinion it's worth it. In this guys opinion it isn't it's a simple as that. The hardware is perfectly fine for the job.

    I don't know where he gets the unreliablility thing. In my experience XP, OS X and Linux are all pretty much similar in terms of OS reliability. There are people here who will claim it never crashes - it does. I've had 3 kernal panics in a year. For the record I've found Windows XP to be quite stable unless you mess about with it and install all sorts of dodgy crap on it.

    The guy is opbviously a hardcore Linux zealot and it should be read as that. I read some of the stuff on here with a huge pile of salt at hand as it's equally biased. I only know my own experiences and having used Windows 98, 2000, XP, FreeBSD and several Linux flavours I've found a home in Mac OS X and have found it to combine ease of use and power remarkably well. Sure there ARE still some rough edges but there gradually getting smoothed out.

    You can only decide what's best for you and don't let stupid opinionated people from any camp sway you.
  4. Moderator emeritus


    Jul 24, 2002
    You can add SMB printers exactly where you'd exepct. In the Print Center! Using a GUI. Or you can connect to the CUPS web GUI on your machine using a web browser. What an idiot!
  5. Moderator emeritus


    Mar 25, 2002
    London, England
    Complete and utter BS! I don't even know where to begin tearing this appart.

    And BTW, I'm not a "mac fan boy" :rolleyes: This just is total crap!
  6. macrumors 6502a


    Feb 1, 2003
    Montréal, Canada
    yeah, this guy reminds me of an artical my friend sent me that was rather funny, it was a Linux user who used windows for a week, and was bitching about alll the things that are actually usefull. he also neglected to say how in windows, you dont have to compile twenty-million things just to get the most simple crappy app to work... but anyways, they are just dumb, and think they are smart cause they use Linux, the OS for geeks, that are two poor to buy their own software.

  7. thread starter macrumors member

    Jul 20, 2003
    Actually i didn't beleive this guy was saying about OSX crashing more than Windows 98, that was totally bull.

    Windows 98 is the worst OS i ever used in my life.

    So i cant understand where this guy got this from.....

    However i must admit that one-button mouse is stupid, Steve wake up!

    Why insisting with this stupid thing?

    And what about the scratching of the surface? is that true?
  8. macrumors 6502

    Aug 29, 2001
    west of Philly
    He's using a powerbook, so when he's sitting on an airplane he's supposed to plug that 3 button mouse in and put it on the guy next him's lap? On a desktop you have that option, first thing I do is throw it out and replace with an intellimouse, but with a laptop it's not that easy. It's one of the reasons I've stuck with PC for a laptop.
  9. macrumors 6502a

    Jul 17, 2002
    Bay of Fundy

    is it really THAT hard to press ctrl and click? i didn't think so. plus, check out a new trackpad driver on versiontracker. i forget the name but it lets you enable tap click and hardware scrolling, so you could use the extra click to replace the botton you so sorely need :rolleyes:
  10. macrumors 6502

    Aug 29, 2001
    west of Philly
    It's probably not that hard if Mac is all you do all day. Some of us move back and forth between platforms and though you know there is a difference as you switch platforms, your fingers go where they expect to and years of habits are hard to break. I have tried the single button thing. Plugged it in for about a week to see if it was something I could live without and it wasn't. This guy may have the same problem.
  11. macrumors regular

    Jul 16, 2002
    Bronx, NY
    Others have already hit upon the main point here...the guy writing the opinion is a major Linux geek (no offense to geeks, just stating a fact), so his opinion is shaded by that fact.

    He's a command line sort of guy, obviously, and it's true that OS X is simply NOT a command-line oriented OS. You can get there, using Terminal, but the OS is not designed to make that a priority. Most of us consider that a positive, but he thinks it's a negative.

    Before my first Mac, I was using PCs back in the MS-DOS days, and once you get used to doing things a certain way it's hard to change. Even today, when I need to delete a bunch of files or search for a file hiding on a Windows machine, I drop to a Command Prompt and use DELTREE and DIR FILENAME.DOC /S instead of using Windows Explorer or Windows seach routines.

    Habits are hard to break, and sometimes doing something the HARD way that you've already memorized seems easier than using the GUI that is right in front of you. It doesn't make the guy a jerk for his opinion...but it does show he should chill out a little and explore more before deciding the machine and OS suck.
  12. macrumors G5

    Sun Baked

    May 19, 2002
    Face it...

    The Mac OS X experience was probably a shock to his system, it's different. Imagine a user friendly GUI on top of Unix, programs you don't have to compile/modify for your system, command line not required, etc.

    But being different ain't bad, just takes some getting used to. Things almost take awhile to get used to.

    There were a bunch of complaints about Mac OS 10.0, and occasional gripe sessions as people switch from OS 9 to OS X and can't find out how to do something.

    Remember, this guy probably hyperventilates if his fork is on the wrong side of the plate. :rolleyes:
  13. macrumors 6502a


    Mar 5, 2002
    The Netherlands
    LOL! That is some major BS! Besides being a retard, he is completly stupid

    Is this a joke or is this guy from another planet? I wonder how my MTB is still in one piece, after trashing it Downhill a lot of times. What a moron...

    Oh man, I wont even comment that one!

    OMFG! From where does this "High IQ" guy comes from? Cause i consider that Mac OS X is a work of art on the "idiot proof" GUI, cause they made complicated tihngs easy to reach for all of us, either advanced users and new computer users. Stupid is who takes the long and complicated path to reach the same objective.

    So, Likvid, IMHO, this guy is full of crap. Dont worry with OS X or the Apple build quality. Sure that we might get some problems with First revision products,but who doesnt?

    I advise you to go and play with a new Mac, specially the new G5's. Try OS X on one of those and will you get the most pure mac user experience you could ever get!
  14. macrumors 65816


    Jun 5, 2003
    Its funny, only since I have been using my mac, (I only switched a few days ago) I find that I can do a lot more on my 12" powerbook than I could do on windows, 1 button mouse? I use a kensington Pocket mouse with 2 buttons, I don't like 1 button mice, purely because I am more productive with a 2 button mouse. People have their own preferences. All I see is a well built computer with I very good operating system that has not crashed on me! Its a fantastic bit of kit. If people bad mouth macs its because a. They have never tried one. b. They couldn't get on with one. c. they just like to start arguments.
  15. macrumors 65816


    Sep 10, 2003
    While I agree about OS X being more stable than Windows 9x, I have to disagree about Windows 98. I vote for Windows Me being the worst.
  16. Moderator emeritus


    Jan 19, 2003
    London, England
    Nope, I've been hauling my 17 around London since it was released, not a scratch or a dent on it, much better than the TiBooks, plus its an aluminium alloy, not pure aluminium.

    I don't use a mouse at all, the trackpad is an excellent replacement, but as noted 2 and 3 button mice are avaliable.

    The blokes an idiot ignore him.
  17. macrumors demi-god


    Jan 11, 2002
    Los Angeles
    Re: Is OSX so bad as he says?

    I think this is my favorite line. I guess he'd rather passenger planes, baseball bats, and those really niftly collapsable batons be made out of the plastic Dell users for it's laptops. ;)

  18. macrumors 6502

    Dec 3, 2002
    San Jose
    Never used Win ME then? Lucky Bas****
  19. macrumors 68040


    Oct 24, 2002
    The West Loop

    Sorry, I'm still trying to recompose myself after reading that - the was one of the funnier things I've read in a while.

    Further support to the idea that there should be a article in the bill of rights that read "You have the right to be stupid enough to get yourself killed without taking out others who are smarter than you."

    One button? Well, I like it only that it keeps the applications uniform - nobody's sweeping stuff under the contextual menu - even thought e ctrl-click does the same. Besides, if I really want a right click or scrool on my 12PB, I plug in my mouse. One my desktop, I already use a Logitech MX700.

    Scratching the aluminum? Well, it would take quite an impact or blade to do it. This is aircraft grade aluminum (which isn't really aluminum) - which basically means it's alloyed with Magnesium and a few other elements, and anodised withing an inch of its life.

    It will dent if hit hard enough, but a plastic case would crack with the same impact.
  20. macrumors regular


    Jul 2, 2003
    Chicago, IL
    I use a WinXP machine at my computer job all day. It's really not that bad, and I will admit that there are some nice features. However, I have been a mac user for 10 years and I can't wait to get home and play on my G5 with X.2. I will argue with anyone that OS X is nicer to use, maybe not better, but nicer. As for me, I would never purchase a PC for my home.
  21. macrumors member

    Oct 11, 2003
    Dallas, Texas
    I just bought a 12" PBook

    I just bought my first apple. 12" Powerbook, and I've never used a Mac before. I must say that OS X has so far been very stable. The only problems I've seen are a) The "more info" button on about your mac started crashing - fixed after a reboot.
    b) I opened the same file in both Mplayer and Quicktime at the same time once, and after that Mplayer has been a bit flaky, making the whole system unusable. Please let me know if I can fix this.

    I have found the Pbook much more sturdy than most Windows laptops that I've handled. And definitely not slow - my workstation is a 2200 Athlon XP with 1.5Gb RAM, and the laptop keeps up quite well.

    I've been using Linux on my workstation exclusively for the past 3 yrs. Non-root though, and although I loved it, so far OS X has been better. My only complaint is that some of the interfaces seem too easy to be true, and I spend 10-15 mins to see if I've done everything needed. May be I'm just dumb :)... and trying to things the hard way as in Windoze, or setting config files like in Linux.

    The sw some one mentioned is SideTrack. It provided a) vertical and horizontal scrolling, b) cliking on the trackpad, c) enabling right click, either on the trackpad or the trackpad button. Once you get it, trust me, you will not turn it off!! Amazing piece of sw.

    For some reason, top takes approx 5-10% of the CPU!! Is this a bug?

    Overall, in the week I've had it I've found this laptop very satisfying... and I would definitely recommend it to most people.

    Have fun!
  22. thread starter macrumors member

    Jul 20, 2003
    I've used WinME also and i must agree it's muc worse than Win98.

    But i can stand behind Win2k and XP being pretty stable, they are stable and it works.

    But the problem is that they are soooo boring to work with.

    I run Linux on my notebook and dualboot XP when i want to do things i can't do with Linux.

    But i get so tired of the quick and dirty mentality of the x86 community.

    The only feasible notebook you can buy if you want to run Windows are the IBMs Thinkpads.

    MacOSX runs on Unix, well Unix is the best, no argument here.

    But the question about the one-button mouse still remains as a big clue.

    Have anyone asked Steve Jobs why he thinks this is so good?

    No one thinks this is good, you can't defend one-button mouse, it's silly.
  23. macrumors 68040


    Oct 24, 2002
    The West Loop
    Re: I just bought a 12" PBook


    Top taking 5-10%? That's a hmm. All my machines jump at all points between 0-4%.

    Your crashing thing is interesting - is it a full-on kernel panic, OS X Crash - can't mistake this - or something else. Can you describe? 99% of crashes in OS X is the app, and not the OS.

    Is there anything else you can give us - we'd like to help.
  24. thread starter macrumors member

    Jul 20, 2003
    I do alot of stock broking and would also like to know if there are any trading software for OSX?

    Like Metastock and several other i know are for Windows only.
  25. macrumors regular

    Feb 24, 2003
    WOW! This guy is totally clueless, shamelessly spewing forth with BS.. I love Linux also, but nothing comes close to X IMHO! Maybe he was bitten by a Mac as a child?

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