Is there a risk to downloading music?

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  1. scem0 macrumors 604

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    My mom is banning me from downloading songs.

    She thinks the risk is too great, and that the RIAA and other authorities are about to come crashing down on people all over the country who are downloading music off P2P networks.

    Is my mom just paranoid or does she really have a point?

    scem0
     
  2. Royal Pineapple macrumors 65816

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    perhaps if you went for a swim to cool off you could think up a resonable argument for stealing copywritten music:rolleyes:,
    however if you were to use the iTMS than it would not have ny risk whatsoever
     
  3. medea macrumors 68030

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    she does have a point, to an extent. Right now the RIAA is going after the "big dogs" or those that host a lot of the pirated material etc. and I doubt that is you, but it could get worse at any time and for me it's not worth it to try. You guys can go out there with this rebel attitude trying to stick it to the man, but I stopped doing it a long time ago, right after Audiogalaxy closed down to be exact. Now my HD is completely free of pirated music/movies/etc so I have wait they call "peace of mind."
    But I'll tell you man, at one point in time I had about 80 gigs of all downloaded material on an old HD (a pc,) but I "destroyed" it all of course.....
     
  4. cr2sh macrumors 68030

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    Is there a risk to downloading music? YES! REPENT NOW! your eternal soul depends on it!

    or not... either way.. mom's are out of touch. Tell you're mom cr2sh said if anything, you should start downloading more... :)
     
  5. jelloshotsrule macrumors G3

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    ask her to pay for all the cds of the albums/songs you've downloaded... she'll change her mind quickly. ;)
     
  6. jaykk macrumors 6502a

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    Yes, RIAA is now targetting parents

    Watch out kids, your parents will be in trouble. Read the story here
     
  7. scem0 thread starter macrumors 604

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    Already suggested that.... She says I should buy my CDs.

    She must not realize what a tight-wad I am. I have bought about 3 CDs my entire life with my own money.

    I never spend my money... Not even for candy at the movies or little frills like that. I wonder if that will end up hurting or helping me... ;)

    Well, I never download songs either, but when I get my G5 I plan on having plenty of music on it. Music is a big part of my life - I think it should be a big part of everyone's life, but I will never go out and spend $20+ on an album. Certainly not when I can get them for free.

    I really don't want to change this into a morality argument, so can people just answer my question:

    Is there a big enough risk in downloading music that one should stop?

    scem0
     
  8. tpjunkie macrumors 65816

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    The RIAA is starting to get nasty, and I have heard they've been looking into creating dummy MP3s with very destructive virii in them...I'm not even sure if something like that would be legal, as it probably falls under cyber-terrorism, but it seems to me the RIAA is just getting nastier all the time

    EDIT: (Upon seeing Scem0's post while I was posting) Well, first off, it depends on the program you are using to download files with. The RIAA is obtaining ip addresses mainly though the immense amount of spyware built into Kazaa. I'm sure the same could be done with many of the Mac P2P apps, but I somehow get the feeling thats not exactly where they're looking yet. I know that giFT provides at least a small amount of protection because it sets up a virtual http proxy server on your computer that it routes all the traffic through. I was able to successfully download through the blocked ports on my campus network. However, like they say, no system is totally secure. I'd like to think I'm a little better off than your average PC user though.
     
  9. dynamicd macrumors 6502

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    You should be ok if you download music/apps and don't share anything. They're basically going after people that have gigs of pirated stuff.
     
  10. MrMacMan macrumors 604

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    Look besides that the RIAA only have 'access' to sue in certain areas:
    Mostly Colleges
    Verizon DSL users... etc.

    The ONLY way they are going to get you right now is if you share 10 GB of songs, they are frying the big fish first.

    If you want to make '100% sure' they will not get you don't share anything, but then I will call you a leech.

    How can they possibly go after you if you have nothing to download off of you?
    How are they to know that you are downloading anything at all?

    Your mom is going a little far, but if she will buy the albums, hell yes, I would take that deal.

    On the legal, but extremly costly side.
     
  11. MrMacMan macrumors 604

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    I think KaZaA is being attacked directly right now, not eally OpenFT because of some reasons:
    Its insanely small network.
    A new 'feature' if you try to see what files the user has sharing, you can't it comes up with '0' or quits the daemon all together.

    And currently I have seen 0 Users from Gnutella or FastTrack trying to download my test files, OpenFT people have, but I doubt these plugins to get access to each network allow you to be almost a shadow client like Neo was supposto be.
     
  12. tazo macrumors 68040

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    Re: Is there a risk to downloading music?

    just remove your files from your downloadable folder. problem solved. and odnt download too many files at once.
     
  13. krossfyter macrumors 601

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    its all about the benjamins man. ever since the record companies started loosing money they (riaa) started riding our jocks about this sh*t. why? because the record companies who reap most of the profit from albums arent getting what the used to get so the riaa had to step in and try and solve this problem the only way they have power too. instead of thinking of something creative so the record companies could still reap profits they went with the low blow and started creating these barriers in downloading music. i see their point but hell man why must one be arrested for downloading music? this is one thing i agree with micheal jackson on unbelievably so. big brother goes up another level.
     
  14. krossfyter macrumors 601

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    Re: Re: Is there a risk to downloading music?

    they can still trace you if they wanted to from who you are downloading from.
     
  15. britboy macrumors 68030

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    Re: Is there a risk to downloading music?


    As with any illegal activity, there is always a risk. If you (or perhaps your mother) are getting worried about the RIAA coming knocking on the door, I would suggest you either stop using illegal P2P, or move to mexico where you can continue unnaffected ;)
     
  16. scem0 thread starter macrumors 604

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    I heard that they made ISP's tell which users were using the most bandwidth.

    I question the legality (is that a word) of this... How can they have the right to get info on whats on my computer without my permission? Isn't this a breach of privacy?

    So just having the songs in a folder thats not being shared by my P2P program will keep anyone from knowing I've downloaded songs?

    scem0
     
  17. ewinemiller macrumors 6502

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    How you can you steal the music without their permission, isn't that a breach of copyright? Come on don't try and take a moral high ground here when the topic of discussion is the risk of you downloading a ton of pirated music. What you are doing is illegal, somehow you believe you are entitled to the benefits of someone else's hard work without compensating them. Chances are you probably won't be caught, but you don't know how far they will go, a year ago no one expect them to go after users. Now it's the big fish, but they may start working down the food chain and you could be next. Your illegal actions could have consequences that threaten your future and your family, time to grow up.
     
  18. robbieduncan Moderator emeritus

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    Lets replace your music files with child pornography (only as an example). Would you not support the ability of the police to obtain a warrent which would allow them to take your computer and search for the files that they have reason to believe are there. If they find said files would you not support their ability to prosecute you for the crime.

    Now whilst copyright works which you have illegally obtained are not nearly as serious as child porn the workings of the legal process are the same. The same abilities are there and may be used.
     
  19. Kwyjibo macrumors 68040

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    scem0 you live in texas right? Perhaps its time to move to Mexico ...

    I'm not worried about downloading one song or two at home but next year at college it may be tough
     
  20. sketchy macrumors regular

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    Research the new laws -- the DMCA and other "Cyber Crime/Cyber Terrorism" laws give the Govt much freedom in how they can prosecute people who steal music. It is stealing..

    They have been debating a few laws that would allow legal malicious attacks on computers. If you have any illegal files(mp3, video, application, etc) they could trash your hard drive remotely and destroy all of your files. It is similar to ...could not come up with anything

    The DMCA is open to refining, which the RIAA is jumping all over, they are pumping a lot of money into washington, so are the movie studios.

    In a few months to a year I think "attack" on music pirates will hit a feavered pitch. Viruses custom coded for windows media player to destroy registry files, etc.


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  21. anonymous161 macrumors 6502

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    I fail to understand how anyone who says they "love" music could think that stealing from musicians is ok. The biggest arguments I hear from people are "well musicians are rich" and "I just sample the music, I still go out and buy the CD if I like enough songs". First, the majority of downloads that people steal are from new or fringe bands, bands that aren't rich yet and in fact most of the time are in alot of debt to the record companies. So if a new band can't sell enough music, then the record company will drop them, even though there may be 10 million people who have songs by that band on their hard drives. Second, that people "sample" and then buy is a load of horse ****. What if you only like 4 songs on that album? Then you don't buy the album because its not worth 15 bucks but your still keep the 4 songs and listen to them regularly. Yeah, that sounds fair. The bottom line is you wouldn't go to a store, pick up 50 CDs and walk out without paying. Even if you tried, you wouldn't honestly expect to not be arrested.
     
  22. iJon macrumors 604

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    nope, thats why its happeneing. downloading music is turning into running a stop sign. its ok if you dont get caught. i think this is why i like the itunes music store so much. they have cheap prices and its instant so i dont mind paying the money. i dont feel like getting in the car and driving to best buy or somewhere to buy a cd, becuase i hate best buy and everyone who works there drives me up the walls. plus on the itms i dont pay tax.

    iJon
     
  23. tpjunkie macrumors 65816

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    Anonymous161: I disagree with what you're saying somewhat. The vast majority of music I have downloaded is not from new or struggling bands; neither is the majority of most of the people I know. Downloading music from new bands is often much more difficult, as relatively few people will have said music on their computer. In addition, seeing as I spent the majority of this year as a(n almost) broke college student, I didn't buy a whole lot of CDs. The two I purchased were 40 licks by the rolling stones (I didn't want to waste time trying to download 40 songs of a P2P network) and the other was a CD by a new band, Flashlight Brown. Flashlight Brown had 3 songs available for download off their website; I listened, loved, and went out and bought the CD. As they were a new band, their cost considerably less than that of a band thats "made it," costing me 5 dollars plus shipping and handling. I think that its not the small little bands suffering the most here, as filesharing of their songs gives them a ton of publicity.
     
  24. P-Worm macrumors 68020

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    I hate the excuse "I'm poor." How does that give you a right to steal something? It especially erks me when people are talking about music. Music is for recreation. There is no need in it. You won't die if you don't have it. I want a G5, but can't afford it, but I'm not going to steal one.

    P-Worm
     
  25. jethroted macrumors 6502a

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    You should check out "Kazaa K++", it is said to be able to block the RIAA from seeing all the files you are sharing at once. It actually blocks anyone from seeing your complete listing. It also blocks the RIAA's IP range, so they can't come on at all. I don't know how well all this works, but the good thing about this is that you can still share.
     

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