iTunes songs to a new computer?

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  1. patseguin macrumors 65816

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    My brother is using a PC laptop with iTunes and his 20GB iPod. I want to buy him an iBook. Can he just simply plug his iPod into the new iBook to transfer over his music library?
     
  2. robbieduncan Moderator emeritus

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    No. iTunes/iPod only sync one way :( You can:
    Copy the entire library over a network/firewire connection. This is keep all star ratings and so on as well.
    Use an iPod extraction utility to get the songs off the iPod onto the iBook (search on Google)
    Use the Terminal. All the songs are in a hidden folder on the iPod (well 20 folders actually).
     
  3. jsw Moderator emeritus

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    By far, the easiest method - mentioned above - is to transfer the folder from one laptop to the other - remembering to deauthorize the PC if he won't be using it anymore for iTunes.
     
  4. mikeyfern macrumors member

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    You can't normally transfer songs directly off the iPod to another computer (Apple has to discourage pirating).

    The easiest way to do this is using a program like Podworks
    http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/17443

    It's shareware and it costs 8 bucks

    If the songs are on the PC hard drive, you could always transfer them over using an external hard drive, a network, or even by using the ipod as an external hard drive, but that's more of a hassle. Podworks works pretty well.
     
  5. patseguin thread starter macrumors 65816

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    Do I deauthorize the PC BEFORE copying the files over? I have a LAN work setup as a domain and the PC laptop has XP Home on it. Am I to understand that I can connect the PC and iBook with a FW cable and copy the files over?
     
  6. robbieduncan Moderator emeritus

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    You can do it before or after. It should not make any difference. Probably the easiest thing to do is connect the laptops via a network. If you do it via firewire you will need to create a firewire network (IP over firewire) which can be tricky to get working on Windows. As long as the Windows laptop has a network port you can just connect the ports directly with a standard ethernet cable. I believe the iBook as an auto-switching port so no cross-over cable required.
     
  7. patseguin thread starter macrumors 65816

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    You mean just use an ethernet cable to connect the two laptops? No need to use my business network?
     
  8. jsw Moderator emeritus

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    Before, after, doesn't matter. And you can use iTMS-purchased music on 5 computers, so deauthorize only if you won't be using iTunes on the PC.
     
  9. jsw Moderator emeritus

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    Correct.
     
  10. patseguin thread starter macrumors 65816

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    Would I browse the PC from the iBook? I'm just not sure how the computers would recognize each other.
     
  11. robbieduncan Moderator emeritus

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    Set both computers to have manualy assigned IP addresses (say 192.168.0.2 and 192.168.0.3, both subnets should be 255.255.255.0). Make sure that the folder you want to see on the PC is shared. Use the Mac server browser thing to get the files.
     
  12. jsw Moderator emeritus

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    You'll need to assign both computers an IP (since they'll be directly connected, DHCP won't work) and then enable Windows File Sharing on the Mac in System Preferences...->Sharing; make sure the PC folder is shared. You should be able to access the PC from the Mac by connecting (?-K from the Finder) and either selecting (if found) or entering the IP address of the PC and your username (e.g., something like //192.168.1.101/bobs_pc).

    This should work, IIRC.

    Edit: D'oh! Shouldn't have gotten coffee before finishing the reply. See above...
     
  13. wordmunger macrumors 603

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    This could be old info, but I think if you're using an iBook and a PC, you need to get a crossover cable, not just the standard Ethernet cable. Or use a network/hub system. Powerbooks will auto-detect whether the cable needs to be reversed; iBooks will not.
     
  14. patseguin thread starter macrumors 65816

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    Can anyone confirm this? And what exactly is a crossover cable?
     
  15. jsw Moderator emeritus

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    I can't confirm how the iBooks work, but a crossover cable look just like a standard ethernet cable except that one or two pairs of wires are "crossed over" - standard cables connect the same wire to the same pin on each connector.
     
  16. patseguin thread starter macrumors 65816

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    That's good to know, thanks robbie. The other computer is an eMachines AMD64 laptop. I'm assuming that a straight ethernet cable is OK for that too?
     
  17. robbieduncan Moderator emeritus

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    You only need 1 machine to have an auto switching port. It basically switches the 2 wires over internally so it's like having a crossover cable.
     
  18. Benj macrumors regular

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    The only essential de-authorising (as I recently discovered) is for stuff purchased from iTMS which can only live on one computer it seems.
     
  19. patseguin thread starter macrumors 65816

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    That's what I thought. So, does de-auothorizing do something to the actual files to allow them to be used on a different computer? Wouldn't I need to de-authorize BEFORE copying so that the files are modified? It wouldn't make any sense to copy the files and then de-authorize on the PC. How would the files on the iBook know that?

    EDIT: robbieduncan - you are the man! Thanks for all your help/
     
  20. ftaok macrumors 601

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    Actually, Benj is incorrect. iTMS songs are allowed to be played on up to 5 computers. To play a purchased song, iTunes must be authorized. Here's how I understand it.

    When a song is purchased, the account that it was purchased under is embedded onto the file. For that song to be playable, the iTunes application on the computer must be authorized to the account embedded on the song. This means the computer must be connected to the Internet and the password for the account must be known.

    If a computer will no longer be used for the purchased songs, you can de-authorize that computer and get one of your 5 authorizations back. Just go into one of the menus and choose de-authorize. Keep in mind, if you re-format a machine with an active authorization, you run the risk of losing that authorization. So before you reformat, back-up and de-authorize.

    I hope that helps you.

    EDIT - I forgot to answer the other question. You can de-authorize either before or after transferring the songs. Doesn't matter as the files don't hold the authorization.

    Also keep in mind that if you just copy over the song files, you will lose all of your playlists, song counts, ratings, etc. The easiest thing to do would be to copy the entire "iTunes Library" folder over to the new Mac. All of the necessary files will be copied along.
     
  21. patseguin thread starter macrumors 65816

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    Great explanation ftaok! I also appreciate the comment on copying over the whole iTunes Library folder.
     

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