iTunes + SONY XCP ( Malware ) = BAD

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  1. snowmoon macrumors 6502a

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    Just wanted to give people the word of warning that the rootkit that SONY secretly installed on XCP discs screws up windows iTunes importing of ALL cd's. I just spent the better part of an hour uninstalling it from my mothers installation of windows. She is no idiot, but this one bit her because she buys a lot of music.

    Just wanted to let people know that if they are having trouble importing songs they should be on the lookout for the SONY DRM ROOTKIT. It will affect more than just the copy protected CD's. SONY is rightfully getting it's A$$ handed to them in the new lawsuits.

    http://www.sysinternals.com/blog/2005/10/sony-rootkits-and-digital-rights.html
     
  2. Lacero macrumors 604

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    This is good in a way. More people will get fed up with PCs and Windows and migrate over to the Mac. Yeah, I hope Sony gets fined a multi-billion dollar lawsuit. Time to squeeze these dickwads where it hurts -- in their pocketbook.
     
  3. snowmoon thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    I wish I could be so optimistic, but another few million OSX installations and this software will be designed for MAC as well... mark my word, we need to stop corporations from selling these "fake" CD's. they do not meet redbook standards and should NOT be sold as CD's.
     
  4. clayj macrumors 604

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    Exactly.

    Does anyone know if these new CDs carry any sort of warning label to the effect that "this CD contains anti-ripping software which WILL be installed on your machine if you insert it into a computer"?
     
  5. snowmoon thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    It has "Copy protected" on the labels, but nowhere does it document the "root kit" or the fact that it will permenetly reduce the functionality of the computer.
     
  6. clayj macrumors 604

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    Yeah... just putting "Copy protected" ain't gonna cut it.

    I like Sony, but anyone who puts crap on a music CD, so that it screws up my computer when I LEGALLY rip the CD's contents for my own use, deserves to have their ass handed to them.
     
  7. devman macrumors 65816

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    It's even sillier than you'd think.

    From http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/archives/004145.php
     
  8. TheMonarch macrumors 65816

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    Oh my God! You weren't kidding! :eek:
    Sony:
    Article 8. UPDATES TO THE LICENSED MATERIALS
    The SONY BMG PARTIES may from time to time provide you with updates of the SOFTWARE in a manner that the SONY BMG PARTIES deem to be appropriate. All such updates shall be deemed to be part of the SOFTWARE for all purposes hereunder. In the event that you fail to install an update, the SONY BMG PARTIES reserve the right to terminate the term of this EULA, along with your rights to use the LICENSED MATERIALS, immediately, without additional notice to you. The SONY BMG PARTIES shall not be liable for any loss or damage caused by reason of your failure to install any such update or your failure to do so in the manner instructed.


    How in the world would they be able to "Terminate" my licensce if I don't "update"? Would the "CD" blow up? :confused:
     
  9. 2nyRiggz macrumors 603

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    that sucks, how far will these companies go. I really did like sony but if they are going to treat my computer like trash then i think the same thing about them. I hope they get the pants sued off them and their million dollar socks.

    <-----will be looking out for all sony cds & any other crappy company that tries to screw me...bastards

    Nuff.
     
  10. dotdotdot macrumors 68020

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    Did you know that on some CDs there is this:

    Start.app

    clicking it prompts you for your password and username and then its gone forever. it installs stuff so your mac is somewhat effected as well.

    http://www.macintouch.com/#tip.2005.11.10.sony
     
  11. Konradx macrumors 6502

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    i downloaded over 100 sony cds just to spite those B@st@*ds! And im boycotting them because they are getting out of hand. Just way to their new HD:DVD format....hell for us...Hollywood will be loving it.
     
  12. Lacero macrumors 604

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    We'll definitely see more people turning to downloading music illegally. Who wants to put up with all the crap, especially this whole debacle concerning rootkits and Sony? I've never heard of a rootkit until now, thanks to Sony. I hope they fester in Hell.
     
  13. twoodcc macrumors P6

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    dang, this is all new to me also. and i was thinking about buying 2 cd's this weekend. i guess not now
     
  14. LethalWolfe macrumors G3

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    You aren't boycotting anything if you are acquiring and using over 100 of their CDs. All your are doing is letting them know there is still a huge market for their product and they need to find out a better way to make sure you to pay for it.


    Lethal
     
  15. tsaxer macrumors regular

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    Win XP users should also be wary of certain DVD's with proprietary players -- they usually have similar malware. I usually watch 'Call for Help' with Leo Laporte, and I now have a new appreciation for the current lack of problems with using a Mac. Of course this is coupled with an ominous sense that it's only a matter of time...

    Isn't there a way to simply open the CD as a folder in Win Xp? That way you could (ostensibly) choose not to have things installed (might have to play around with some control panel settings too?)

    Sony is so.......nevermind, i'll not get on that soapbox
     
  16. savar macrumors 68000

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    Can somebody send me the Sony DRM for OS X?

    I'd like to get copies of those .kext files and reverse engineer them, just to see if they pose a security hazard to Mac users and what information they might be collecting. If anybody has one of these CDs, please PM those two files to me. Thanks
     
  17. Loge macrumors 68020

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    Select the properties of your CD/DVD drive, go to the autoplay tab, and then for each relevant content type choose the action "open folder to view files". Now I don't know if this is enough to prevent the installation of the malware; it may not be. I don't play music CDs in Windows (work laptop), so I can't tell.
     
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    Most people who want to play or rip a CD would open iTunes and use it as per usual. They won't go looking through the CD and start clicking on things. In addition, they should realise that they've never needed to enter their password to play other CDs.
     
  19. DaftUnion macrumors 6502a

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    Well, this will only help out iTunes...how stupid are they...since your listening to wma or some drm files that aren't even real cd audio...people will get the idea to just buy it off iTunes...burn it to a cd, and rip it back into a normal mp3 file. Simple...but some people myself, want the original uncompressed cd audio...and this is what they're taking away which DOES make me angry along with everyone else.
     
  20. Dagless macrumors Core

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    aaaand this is supposed to stop piracy? I dont know about people here but this is the sort of thing that would push me towards illegal downloads.

    way to go Sony!

    ... is Sony the new Microsoft?
     
  21. snowmoon thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    I have confirmed with my mom that she did nothing except attempt to import the offending CD.

    Nothing installed

    No EULA

    No consent of any kind

    .. and the DRM was installed behind her back while iTunes was attempting the import.
     
  22. DeVry Student macrumors newbie

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    It is illegal to download music illegaly. It is illegal run anti-virus software if you have purchased a Sony CD w/ XCP on your computer, because that is circumvention. I have already emailed Symantec and have asked them to cease distribution of their removal tool under the DMCA.

    Aint this some crazy legal schizit we have gotten ourselves into all because someone decided that it was cool to download music for free back in 1998?
     
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    Wow, really? :rolleyes:

    Thanks, I needed a good laugh :D
     
  24. chillywilly macrumors 6502a

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    I read this article yesterday and was wondering if there is some sort of automatic install of this .app or if you have to manually go looking for it.

    Or if when you go to rip tracks in iTunes or another CD ripping app, it will force you to install this? Has anyone tested this?

    I would hate to see the Mac being treated like Windows when it comes to CD copy protection.

    *rant on*
    Personally, I think Sony screwed themselves. They have only setback any improvment in the fighting of illegal downloading. This is not to say I encourage illegal downloading of music, but I can't blame users that want to get their music, trying to avoid these tactics that Sony and other companies are doing.

    IMO, if they simply make a product that people will want to buy, they wouldn't have to worry about jumping through hoops to treat customers like criminals.

    Also, if companies like Sony would stop trying to do their own thing (creating yet another format that isn't compatible with any other format out there) and work together with other companies, piracy wouldn't be so rampant and people would be more willing to pay for something that would be guaranteed to work with their device.

    *rant off*
     
  25. mkrishnan Moderator emeritus

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    According to reports, on the Imogen Heap cd, you have to run the extra AV content for the file to activate. Then it gives you a licensing agreement (which does not clearly explain what will happen), asks you to password into admin privileges, and then installs the kernel extension files.

    So no, as of now, on Macs, this stuff does not get automatically executed.
     

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