iWeb fails the test

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  1. macrumors bot

    Jul 5, 2003


    Category: Opinion/Interviews
    Link: iWeb fails the test
    Description:: Dan Pourhadi takes a look at iWeb, and opines that its unbelievably simplicity will eventually put writers like him out of business.

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  2. macrumors 603


    Jun 25, 2002
    LaLaLand, CA
    And before anyone says anything...

    Yes, he was being facetious.
  3. macrumors 68030

    Analog Kid

    Mar 4, 2003
    He put all this effort into making an article that was reasonably entertaining, and then you get down to the comment section and realize we really are living in a world of idiots...

    Personally I found iWeb to be rather hard to use-- mainly because I kept trying to find a way out of the little box they put me in. That's probably why iWeb wasn't made for me-- or at least not yet. Maybe iWeb 2 will give me a little more flexibility and a chance to influence the design of my site.

    It looks like a great tool for vanity websites though. It's 80% of the way to what I'd want to just maintain a site for friends and family, for example. The main problem is being forced to stay within the template.

    Reading the comments this guy picked up though makes me realize how many people really want to have everything hand fed to them and how few people can really handle subtlety... Kinda makes it clear why templates are such a hit.
  4. macrumors G4


    Aug 24, 2003
  5. Moderator emeritus

    Jun 25, 2002
    Gone but not forgotten.
    I was trying Sandvox from Karelia and felt the same way. It's too easy but much more powerful than going through the constrictive online builders that Yahoo! and MSN have.
  6. macrumors 68000


    Jun 22, 2003
    I'd start a website with this and when I got something I liked the look of, I'd take it into Dreamweaver or GoLive to finish it off and customize it.
  7. macrumors 6502a


    Dec 16, 2004
    Sounds like a great app, I know how to use Dreamweaver, but I think it takes too long time.
  8. macrumors 6502

    Jul 12, 2004
    This was an hilarious article. Great write. iWork is a good 1.0 version. Some things may be added, like sub pages for photo's. That will make the loading experience at the browser much better, while the slide show will contain all photo's on the sub pages. And the photo's used by the pages should be a 'thumbnail' from the one used by the slideshow. This also will speed up the load of the pages. But it's a great and reasonable stable app. and a very good tool for anyone to make great looking web sites to show their work to friends and family. Kudo's to Apple on this one.

    Now just waiting on third parties to create much more templates for iWeb!
  9. macrumors regular


    Jan 12, 2006
    New York, New York
    I just bought iLife '06 for $40 with student discount. :cool: Please let me know if you can find a better deal (genuine & unused) so I can buy it and give to my girl friend as a gift. :D

    iWeb is a very nice program that is very easy to use. Even my mom who doesn't really know how to type could get a blog up and running in about 10 minutes. But, I was a bit disappointed when I looked at the source code of the pages... There are just too many div tags. They don't make that much sense to me and I don't like that. I know enough HTML and CSS to write the same pages (well, a page with pictures and texts put into table cells, not divs) with much shorter codes.

    I just wish iWeb has a "backdoor" (like a pure text edit mode) for the people who know how to write websites by hand, so we can look at the code and take out the unnecessary stuffs, or correct things that we think does not look right. That way, the webpages can load a bit faster. But other than that, I like iWeb very much and would recommend it to everyone who are not using it at work. :)
  10. macrumors 65816


    Sep 1, 2003

    1. did you read the article?
    2. did you get it was actually humor?
  11. macrumors 603


    Jun 19, 2003
    Chicago, IL
    Please people. Read the article and "feel" the tone before making a comment. :eek:
  12. macrumors 65816


    Jul 14, 2005
    I know what you're saying, but Apple doesn't even want the word "code" near the end user. This is not the app you pick to write the next Google killer, but its certainly convenient for family-type sites. Plus, more .Mac subscribers.
  13. Moderator emeritus


    Aug 16, 2005
    Thank goodness someone else noticed, I just wanted to rip into the webpage and grab the people that wrote those comments and smack some sense into them.
  14. macrumors regular

    Jun 21, 2003
    Fort Worth, TX
    lions and tigers and divs, oh my!

    Tables instead of divs for page layout? :eek:

    Say it aint so.

    I'm betting actually that there are a lot of divs to help compatibility with IE. Just to center a div in IE, you often have to enclose that div in another centered div.

    Since these web page layout programs (iWeb, GoLive, Dreamweaver) cannot discern the meaning of a piece of content or its logical connections to other page content, they often enclose each piece (sections, paragraphs, pictures, etc.) in divs. The nice thing about divs though is that they make restyling pages with CSS very easy.
  15. macrumors 604


    Aug 9, 2002
    Springfield, OR (Home of the Simpsons)

    You can do that with it right now. Also you can erase everything and a template and make up a page however you like with quite a bit of options. When I first dove into it it seemed very limited but then I learned that some of the options available aren't even presented to you until you are building a specific part of a page. Image options aren't available unless you are highlighting a image frame and text options aren't available unless you are highlighting a text box, etc.. This is very very Apple and was very much needed in the web development world. Finally a program for the rest of us that have a bit of web knowledge but neither the time nor the patience to build a truly great page from the ground up.
  16. macrumors newbie

    Mar 18, 2005
    But can it strip Word code?

    ....From what I'm hearing, no. It would be nice to have a small, cheap app that does ONLY the task of making Word's "HTML" export (I quote the menu action, only, because any idiot can see that HTML is NOT what gets exported). Dreamweaver has of course included this feature for years...but is it really worth $X00.00?? I would have hoped that iWeb might include this feature. Sigh, maybe some day.
  17. macrumors 604


    Aug 9, 2002
    Springfield, OR (Home of the Simpsons)

    What exactly are you wanting?
  18. macrumors newbie

    Mar 18, 2005
    Sorry. I want iWeb to strip crap code from Word HTML exports.

    (Quod erat scriptandum in Titulus)
  19. macrumors member


    Sep 12, 2003
    Middle Tennessee
    Apple has GOT to link to this!!!

    Apple should link to this review from their News page...

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  20. macrumors 601


    Jul 5, 2004
    Except that a mess of DIVs is better than TABLEs... Tables should only be used when you have data to display. Don't confuse structure with presentation.

    XHTML+CSS is the right way to do it. Not HTML+Tables.

    Sorry, but MS-Word isn't meant to be a web publishing tool. Why don't you work directly in iWeb instead? Or at the very least, try and copy/paste content between the two programs instead of exporting to "HTML" with Word.
  21. 24C
    macrumors 6502a

    Nov 9, 2004
    Not everybody is, but Chuck Wonkers definitely is and his comments absolutely priceless...LOL
  22. macrumors newbie

    Mar 18, 2005
    Oh. Thanks for the tip. :rolleyes:

    See, in some fields, most work gets done in Word. Having a quick and easy way to web publish would be nice. Truth to tell, Word should output HTML better than it does. Barring that, though, it would be nice if someone would implement a code stripping feature (such as what Dreamweaver already has) in an inexpensive application.
  23. macrumors 6502a

    Apr 14, 2003
    The title had me worried. . .

    but after I read it, it was a nice praise of iWeb. His problem was that his role of helping computer-illiterate use complex web building apps was in danger.

    Sure, the money is nice, but having to hold the hands of "dummies" gets both boring and frustrating. Sometimes the "dummies" innocently point out serious shortcomings of the program. At that point, it's hard to convince yourself that you are helping the "dummies", but you are actually pimping the software written by the true dummies!
  24. macrumors 6502

    Nov 5, 2003
    Fargo, ND
    Does anyone know if you can host your iWeb pages on other services other than .mac???
  25. macrumors 601


    Jul 5, 2004
    Anytime! ;)

    Isn't there options when exporting to HTML? No "Basic HTML 3.2" export option? No "disable CSS" option? That would cut down on the amount of... erm... "HTML". :cool:

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