Japan Polled: Loves Wii, PS3 too expensive.

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    Haoshiro

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    This information is taken from an article on IGN, which is based on information released by Famitsu from a ~300 person poll they conducted from 5/15 - 5/18.

    Most Interested In:
    1. Wii - 68.8%
    2. PS3 - 21.0%
    3. Xbox 360 - 7.2%
    4. DS - 3.0%

    Who will win the next-gen race?
    1. Wii - 73.0%
    2. PS3 - 22.6%
    3. Xbox 360 - 4.4%

    Opinion of PS3 price:
    1. Too High - 88.4%
    2. Reasonable - 10.9%
    3. Too Low - 0.7%

    Expected cost of Wii:
    1. 25,000¥ ($223) - 52.6%
    2. 30,000¥ ($268)
    3. 35,000¥/20,000¥ ($312/$178)

    Most anticipated upcoming games:
    1. Zelda Twilight Princess (Wii)
    2. Final Fantasy XIII (PS3)
    3. Metal Gear Solid 4 (PS3)
    4. Smash Brothers X (Wii)
    5. Dragon Quest Sword (Wii)
    6. Super Mario Galaxy (Wii)
    7. Final Fantasy III (DS)
    8. Monster Hunter 3 (PS3)
    9. Resident Evil (Wii)
    10. Halo 3 (Xbox 360)

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    This was actually surprising to me. PlayStation has been the king of Japan for a long time, and while I expected interest in Wii to be better then GameCube, I did not expect a poll like this to have such one-sided results in favor of Wii.

    It also looks like people in the Sony homeland think the PS3 is too expensive as well... not a good sign... especially with such large interest in the much cheaper Wii.

    These results make me wonder if Nintendo may actually overthrow the Sony regime with the Wii, taking the homeland back. Before seeing this poll I really thought it was a given that PS3 would reign supreme, with Nintendo improving its profits thanks to Wii, but not actually taking over.

    And did I miss the Resident Evil for Wii announcement? I must have...
     
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    I see the Japanese have no love for Bill Gates and his Xbox 360 ;)
     
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    Haoshiro

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    Yeah, no surprise there! Well.. except that 4.4% of those polled actually thought 360 would win the next-gen race... lol!
     
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    Interesting that the Xbox rated so low on "interest in" yet Halo 3 made the top 10 anticipated games list. I suppose, though, that all the 7% of 360 fans polled said they were looking forward to Halo 3, while the other systems split their votes a bit. 7% would be enough to make #10 on a top 10 list.
     
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    kinda surprising especially from a famitsu poll... a 360 shooter in the top10 ? what the hell did happen there ?

    i guess we simply have to wait but the ds lite still continues to sell like crazy with all the other sales cooling down after the holiday week over there...
     
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    ... There were about 300 people surveyed. In 2004, there were about 130 million people living in Japan, so this survey is hardly representative of the population. Im gonna have to say that the survey results are way off. However, I think the Wii is still gonna be wildly popular throughout the entire world. If the buzz surrounding the Wii is any indication of how it will sell... this is gonna be crazy.
     
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    To see how popular the Wii will be in Japan, all you have to do is look at the DS, which is as much a cultural phenomenon as the ipod - in comparison to the psp.

    Japanese are already buying DS in record numbers, theyre inquisitive taste is already been sparked by the DS match, wait till they get their hands on the Wii....
     
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    Small surveys like this are common, though. The logic is that 300 randomly chosen people will not just happen to have the same bias. This may be too american/old to work as a proper example, but the TV game show "Family Feud" is based on surveys consisting of only 100 people for each topic. The results in general are still very accurate even though the number surveyed was very small.
     
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    Haoshiro

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    Yeah, that is what I have been thinking too. I think the system is great on a global scale but especially perfect for Japan who tend to be fairly zany (look at their commercials, tv/movies, games, etc.)

    I just wonder if Sony is strong enough to withstand getting trampled in their homeland. I mean, if the majority go for a Wii exclusively Sony stands to lose BIG. They are already barely profitable as it is, the coming few years will be very interesting to watch I think.
     
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    This man is correct. Also you'd be surprised how accurate a random small sample of people can be (if done with the right proportions to a society's population (macro level) or done with a sampling of a specific group of interest (micro level) ). I learned about it in one of my psych classes. TV and Radio rating were done this way at one point (I believe radio is still done this way). Basically they'd send out a thousand or so cards out with a list of shows people watched or listened to the most. When these cards were collected they saw what people tuned into and gave that show it's appropriate ratings for that week.

    I must say though a sampling of 300 people versus Japan's millions of citizens isn't really good survey to judge. Also you'd need to know several things about the survey such as, if it was done in only one community or at random parts of Japan, these people's social economic background, and various other things to take into account that I don't feel like listing. Basically this was a flawed survey at best. But in all honesty what do you expect from a video game magazine? These people aren't researchers.
     
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    I would venture to guess this survey group was comprised entirely of Famitsu readers, so the number surveyed should be compared to their readers, not the population of Japan as a whole! heh.

    They are the #1 gaming publication in Japan, but I have no idea how many readers they have. :)
     
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    Hahahaha right, 300 people polled out of 127 million - yeah, that's an accurate representation... :rolleyes:

    I'd take these numbers with a grain of salt. The acid test will be when the Wii and PS3 are released. Then people will vote with their wallets and then you'll see some real data. :cool:
     
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    I've been saying all along that the next console thing is just going to be an echo of the DS and PSP. I'll say it till I'm blue in the face, like this guy " ;) " but I won't.
     
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    Haoshiro

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    While I certainly can't vouch for the results of this particular poll, I can say that it certainly could be. First, "127 million" is not accurate. 127 million gamers in Japan? I think not. Best to compare versus the readers of the magazine, Famitsu. I for one don't have those numbers. Also, a condensed number of people for a statistical survey is standard. The few can be very accurate at predicting the masses. Poll 100 people or poll 1000, the breakdown should pretty much be the same.

    The true test is definitely on release, surveys like this only indicate possible result predictions and can still be helpful at giving insight to public perception... lopsided ratio or not.
     
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    Actually, if they are chosen randomly, the margin of error in that poll is about 5.7%. So, not a great survey, but not all that nuts either.

    In case anyone is interested in the "shortcut" method for determining the margin of error for a survey of any very large group (it actually may apply to small groups as well - I'm not a statistician, just someone forced to take far to many math classes), it is E = 1/sqrt(N), where E is margin of error in %, and N is the sample size. It's not precisely correct, but will put you within a tenth or a hundredth or something like that.

    That also assumes, again, that the survey is completely random from within the group, which are means that it is distributed fairly evenly across subgroups as well. I don't know anything about this poll, but if it was done by a Japanese gaming magazine or something, it would be more accurate to say that XX.X% of Japanese gamers think Y, with 5.7% margin of error.

    Also, of statistical interest is all those polls you see in magazines and newspapers that claim "XX% of Americans Y, margin of error 3%" (which is a very common margin of error for those sorts of polls) have only actually asked (roughly) 1000 people out of the 350 million in the country.
     
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    maybe I'm just a cynic or something, but who cares? I'm squarely behind Nintendo, but what does it matter if Sony sells more PS3's, or if Microsoft sells more 360's? Does it really matter if your friend / relative / enemy buys a console that you don't plan on buying? Isn't the winner of a console war the consumers who get satisfaction from the games they choose to play?

    *shrugs shoulders*
     
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    well honestly how popular is ign in japan haha
     
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    It actually could matter when it's Japan. This isn't just about someones "friend", it's about the companies homeland image.

    This is of course speculation... but follow me through the idea. Say these poll results indicated, at least to a good degree, what percentage of the japanese gamers purchased the systems. This would mean extremely low sales of PS3 in Japan. If this was sustained it could nearly kill Sony. A company with product that isn't getting sold is a company not making any profit.

    If Sony does not get enough systems out there then not enough software will sell, which means PS3 starts dying. A bad couple years and developers won't want to develop for it, plus Sony needs to recoup the massive losses of developing and launching a new system.

    Now that is all theoretical. PS3 could launch and be a huge success in Japan. But these polls don't indicate much enthusiam for it. If this was close to accurate for all gamers in Japan, it could spell serious trouble for Sony as a company.

    So in terms of war, consider it a "possible" or "predicted" critical blow to Sony... potentially a war losing blow, that sends companies into bankruptcy. Sony is barely profitable already.

    Again, though, that's just all theoretical! I'm just trying to describe why this could be important, and why it's at least interesting to discuss.
     
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    Yeah, that's a good point - if they were indeed chosen randomly - I'm not sure if that is the case here though... ;)

    Interesting statistics though, thanks for those. :)
     
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    If you look at the weekly charts we already have the homeland. Give or take a percentage or two Nintendo accounts for 67% of the systems sold every week. While its mostly because of the handhelds we still own most of the market in Japan. Same goes for the top 10 games.. Majority are DS games.
     
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    I agree PS3 could be a blow to Sony, it will never kill them. Rich people will buy the PS3 and say its the best thing ever. Also following the PS2 which had a huge fan base(why i don't know) if the PS3 get half of PS2 owners to buy it, sony will be fine. Also Sony can survive being in the whole for a few years, look at Apple.


    As much as i want sony to die on the PS3 it won't happen. The PS4 and PS5 will have to suck even more then the PS3(assuming it does bad) Also this is assuming PSP2 does not do good. Case i see killing Sony.

    PS3=Loses them billion
    PSP-does not help them enought to break even
    PS4=Loses them billion
    PSP2-Loses them billion
    Sony dies or quits the gaming bussiness

    2nd possible case
    PS3- Loses money but is good enought, making it look like not long term damage to Sony
    PSP2-bad and overprice makes sony lose 100s million
    PS4-After a crap PS3, the PS4 was not good enought, it did not bring any new PS3 user to the PS4, and they may even lose some.
    PS5-Make it cheap to because they can no long stand losing money when they sell PS5. Its cheap and crappy and no one likes it. Sony does or leave the gaming market
     
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    Ya the 360 is nice but not next gen. it an xBox on steroids, that said i will buy it when it gets Halo 3
     
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    Because if the Wii does not sell well, third parties don't support it. Look what happened to the GameCube. We want Nintendo to not be considered a niche so we get some serious third party support, and so it's no longer dismissed as a kiddie or niche system.
     
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    Honestly though, do you really want Microsoft to replace Sony? Even if the XBox 360 is a better product than the PS3. Microsoft is famous for doing horrible things to the market once they have a dominant marketshare and use it to completely destroy the competition, then jack up the prices- see the Department of Justice's findings.

    I really hope Microsoft never gets in the dominant position. As a company. This is not anti-XBox, just Microsoft.
     
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    It's going to be very interesting to see if Sony can pull off what their fans seem to think they are going to be getting with the PS3.
     

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