Jill Carroll has been released

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    CNN is reporting that kidnapped journalist Jill Carroll has been released:
    No word yet on what caused her captors to change their minds, but it's some good news for a change.
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    I suppose someone should say something controversial about this topic, so that we can justify the mods' decision to move it to the Politics forum. :rolleyes:
     
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    Okay. Her "kidnapping" was a hoax created by our government to...:p
     
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    i am curious as to why she was released. according to the cnn article linked above:
    was she released out of good will, or was there some kind of deal made?
     
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    Surely it's the latter. If I recall correctly, the folks that kidnapped Carroll also shot her interpreter in the head.
     
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    do you think, as demanded by the revenge brigade, that a few of those women prisoners were freed?
     
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    Well, some female prisoners were released a month or so ago -- with the disclaimer from the U.S. military that we'd been planning to release those prisoners anyways. According to today's story:
    So I suppose the question is, is Khalilzad pulling our leg and we have in fact released the remaining female prisoners?
     
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    I agree. Almost certainly, dollars changed hands.
     
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    There's some additional reporting this morning that:
    This is a very curious piece of information to me. I guess I don't understand, from the way it's worded, if her captors were threatening her or just giving her some travel tips.
    Yeah, I'm not sure what to make of this. The official line (from both ambassador Khalilzad and Jill Carroll's editor at the CSM) is that there was no deal.
     
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    In Iraq, these are one in the same thing.

    Official lines are generally pretty suspect. People who kidnap and murder rarely have sudden changes of heart.
     
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    Agreed.
     
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    does this mean that "dealing with terrorists" is a new, backdoor policy? or has it always been that way and i'm being naïve?
     
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    I won't say you're naive, but I think it's been for some time.
     
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    how long, roughly? prior to bush?
     
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    Who knows? But recall, back in the '80s Ronald Reagan pledged never to deal with terrorists, then made the arms for hostages deal with Iran. Political expediency seems to be the universal tonic for any overdose of high-minded principles.

    Remember also, a few months back, we were hearing about efforts to create "back channels" to the Iraqi insurgents. These channels, once established, can be used for multiple purposes. As for money -- who is the source of most of the free-flowing cash in Iraq these days?

    Thinking this through makes me kind of ill. I'd almost rather not.
     
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    Machiavelli said that.
     
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    Not in so many words I presume, unless my memory is better than I thought.
     
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    Well, obviously it was in Italian, for a start...
     
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    Molto allineare.
     

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