Judge: File-swapping tools are legal

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  1. jethroted macrumors 6502a

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    Horay!! Our human rights are saved once more!
     
  2. iJon macrumors 604

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    thats great. the judge made a very good point saying its very similar to other machines you can buy at a store. now lets see what happens with kazaa.

    iJon
     
  3. NavyIntel007 macrumors 65816

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    It's about time. A lot of people have been waiting for this day. P2P has a lot of benefits and should not be shut down.
     
  4. MrMacMan macrumors 604

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    Well this is one judge, but he has valid points, like certain things are legal currently and are never pointed out by RIAA/MPAA .
     
  5. Backtothemac macrumors 601

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    I have always likened it to recording a song off of the radio. Why would it be considered any different than that?

    This is good for p2p, and bad for Apple's Music service.
     
  6. MrMacMan macrumors 604

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    Then again, this doesn't hurt them because well, these networks aren't on the mac.
     
  7. RBMaraman macrumors 65816

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    This ruling won't hold up on appeal. Once the topic gets back to artists rights and protection, the lawsuits against Kazaa and such networks will proceed (and the RIAA and such will fight back with a punch).

    I can honestly say that I haven't used a P2P network in 3 years. I'm looking forward to Apple's service. Even though I know I can get the stuff for free, I'd rather do the right thing by paying for downloads. I guess I'm just an honest person.
     
  8. szark macrumors 68030

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    The judge is not saying that trading copyrighted materials is legal. He's saying that a service which allows files to be traded is not illegal simply because some of its members choose to use it for an illegal purpose.
     
  9. MrMacMan macrumors 604

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    Everyone quickly Stock up on VCR recorders, I see another Supreme Court Case building!

    *sigh*

    Just ANOTHER setback that will cost us what? 10? 20? years of progress?
     
  10. springscansing macrumors 6502a

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    Am I the only one who cares about artist's rights? :-\

    Kazaa is a service used for mostly for porn and illegal music and movies. Yes, it can be used for legal things, but it rarely is, and that obviously was NOT the intent of Kazaa origionally.

    I think Kazaa should be shut down.
     
  11. rainman::|:| macrumors 603

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    think of the precidence here. sure kazaa is used a lot for illegal (or immoral in the case of porn, which is quite legal in the USA thanks), but where does that end? Should we shut Ford down because their cars kill people? should we shut down all chat rooms because predators find children there? Gun companies are already being sued for their roles in homocides/suicides...

    i remember a friend of mine worked at Walmart, a girl there sold a man some ammo that he took home and used to kill himself. It was a perfectly legal sale. The family sued the woman, the gun company, and walmart for neglegance. seriously, it's not right to blame companies for crimes committed with their products. It's simply attacking a symptom and not a cause.

    pnw
     
  12. runningman macrumors regular

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    P2P sharing as always accured just not to the scale that it has now with the information age. How many people took records and placed them on tapes, borrowed friends CDs and put them to tapes or tape to tape. Now the music industry is taking a hit because of the internet and people's ability to burn cds. The question is have they priced themselves out of the market. Tapes and records use to cost ~$12 then cds came out and tape prices plummeted and cds then cost ~12-15 which if you are a teenager or college student can price a lot of music out of your reach and people will resort to file sharing. No different than when you were in college you borrowed your buddies cd or record and made a cassette tape of it. Does it violate trademark law definitly, however, I think with new music services coming on the internet and if the cost is low and people are able to purchase music at a reasonable rate will preferentially chose the cheap music service.
    You are going to see similar problems with DVDs and the superdrives and the internet.
     
  13. garzy thread starter macrumors regular

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    i dont really download much music off file sharing networks
    its usually of sh*t quality, and I like to buy the cd with the case and artwork

    of course, i buy a lot of my stuff used, so its cheaper for me
     
  14. DakotaGuy macrumors 68040

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    Actually there was a battle over copyright in the late 70's early 80's against VHS, because the television and movie industry said it was illegal to copy a television show. The VCR companies won the lawsuit. That paved the way for many rulings today.

    If the movie industry had it's way the DVD would be gone and replaced by D-VHS, because D-VHS is an uncompressed digital tape and DVD is compressed. The amount of digital information in a movie left uncompressed is HUGE, more then any home equipment could ever deal with thus preventing copying from happening.
     
  15. idkew macrumors 68020

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    the artists aren't the ones losing money really- it is the poor (filthy rich) execs who are only making $700,000 this year instead of $760,000.
     
  16. MrMacMan macrumors 604

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    Help us!

    We are Starving! -- Music exec.

    Yeah they are taking our money. Artists get cents/cd sold. J Lo didn't make much money off her CD's maybe 30 million, but all other things REALLY bring in the money!
     
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    Add a zero!
     
  18. pseudobrit macrumors 68040

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    Hehe...

    VCR recorders, eh?

    That anything like those ABS braking systems or GPS systems? ;)
     
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    And don't forget the liquid crystal display displays that we all know and love.
     
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    Don't forget about your PIN number at the ATM machine...
     

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