Kerry's remarks re: soldiers

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  1. QCassidy352 macrumors G3

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    No thread on this yet?

    Kerry's aide says that Kerry's line was "mangled in delivery" and was supposed to be, "I can't overstress the importance of a great education. Do you know where you end up if you don't study, if you aren't smart, if you're intellectually lazy? You end up getting us stuck in a war in Iraq."

    Regardless of whether that's true or not, I can't understand the cult of soldier-worship in America. I have nothing against soldiers, but there seems to be a sense in the US that if you don't basically fall down on your knees and kiss the ground soldiers walk on you're pure evil. I don't get it, myself.
     
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    D'oh!! Although I'm also laughing at Bush's phrase "plenty smart". :D

    Politicians....
     
  4. lord patton macrumors 65816

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    Kerry's explanation seems reasonable enough. Would he really be stupid enough to call soldiers uneducated a week before the elections (or ever?).

    Then again, if this is a canned line that he has used successfully in the past, where are the YouTube videos of these?
     
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    The rank-and-file soldiers are doing the job they're told to do. It's not their fault that the people in charge have no idea what to do. A lot of the people in charge have probably never actually fought in a war, even if they've been part of one.

    Senator Kerry does have a way with words, though, as does the White House with twisting them.
     
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    i haven't heard any audio, so i don't know if kerry did mean to say what he later claimed, or if he meant what he did say.

    but if it's the latter, i really really wish he's just own up to it and say something intelligent, like a lack of education leaves one with few choices, and joining the military and getting stuck in a horrible situation is one of them.

    i voted for him, i think he'd have done a much better job than bush, but i do wish he'd grow some goddamned balls. the rest of what he said, about bush / rove / limbaugh, is a good start.

    ... 2 and a half years too late...
     
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    He is a politician, he only means what he says when it furthers his political career.

    Bomb a delivery and the spin doctors will work to retract and alter the meaning of any statement.
     
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    Dumb, terrible line. And Kerry of all people, as a highly educated person who served in the military, should know better.

    Obviously, Republicans are taking it as far as they can as something to criticize him on, rather than giving him some benefit of the doubt and trying to see the valid point that he is making, which as Zim said is obviously simply that a lack of education leaves one with fewer choices.
     
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    is there tape of this? Because if there is, it's going to play in every Republican campaign ad imaginable. Or so it seems to me.

    Leave it to Kerry to deliver the line that has the potential to sink the Democrat candidate in every district in the union.

    and yea...I voted for him. I even have a John Kerry tshirt.
     
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    I notice you have to read two-thirds of the way through the article to find out what Kerry actually said. The first two-thirds is all Republican spin and reaction. Damn liberal media!
     
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    i wonder how many days this is going to be in the headlines. rove is probably salivating over the prospect of re-energizing his base with some good ol' kerry bashing.

    still not sure i buy the kerry explanation.
     
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    Seriously. I respect what they're doing (or at least their intentions) but its certainly not the only way to serve your country as some would have you think.
     
  13. clevin macrumors G3

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    soldier worshiping is a weird result of a life-value extrapolation, because they are risking their lives, so they should be more respected.
    But hey, thats stupid, Hitler's soldiers are risking their lives too, so what? risking life for a stupid cause, in my opinion, IS stupid. Unless, say, you are so trapped in some situation and has no other way out, which I suspect is 60% true for them now, and in that situation, "sorry" is the best word.
     
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    afaict, soldier-worship is a reaction against the guilt of the way many people treated soldiers returning from vietnam. and it's fueled by gov't figures and the media.

    i don't think there's much thought process going on. i recall that during the Gulf War, one had to be very careful to say, "i disagree with the war, but i support the troops!" what a load of bollocks that was, having to appease those who can't imagine that there's a difference.
     
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    Yeah, I agree, poor choice of words but I think it would be better to admit that for many new HS graduates, there aren't many choices. Unless, of course, earning $6 an hour at walmart is a choice.
     
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    From the film: "Jarhead"

    Drill Sargeant: "Just what the **** are you doing in the Marine Corps!?!"

    Main Character: "I got lost on my way to College Sir!"

    Even the unbotched statement sucked dog cigars. Kerry never had the charisma or the spin doctors to be a presidential candidate. Damn Botox commercial that had to be wheeled in on a hand truck. I always thought he should've faced Bob Dole, that at least would've been a level field for first impressions. Botox Vs. Viagra on this week's Celebrity Deathmatch.:D
     
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    Kerry is a douchebag, but I'm not going to hold this slip of the tongue to him anymore than I did when Bush accidentally said we won't have an all volunteer military. I think he was insulting politicians, or the people who vote for them. I'm sure they'll spin this, but it'll die quick because it doesn't really mean much. People are still talking about what Cheney said, but again, that's more intent (that he supports torture) than a slip-up. Especially since Kerry was a soldier himself.

    Vs. what Rush said, or worse what he did, this is nothing but another reason to roll your eyes at him.
     
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    The good news is, this little incident might drive a stake into the heart of any thoughts Kerry might have had about running again in 2008.
     
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    What he meant was that if you don't study hard to receive an education, you'll be stuck in a rutt and not succeed in life. He was equating Iraq to being stuck in a rutt; the statement had nothing to do with insulting soldiers. The spin that the Republicans are putting on Kerry's statement is so blatantly obvious, it's pathetic. :mad:
     
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    While campaigning in California yesterday for gubernatorial candidate Phil Angelides, Kerry said: ``Education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. And if you don't, you get stuck in Iraq.''

    if he meant it or not doesnt matter now. It was a HUGE blunder.
    You shouldnt make jokes like that. Its too close to home.

    In his excuse speech he REFUSED to apologize! He could at least have said "im sorry if someone took it wrong."

    He's a Jerk.
     
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    I doesn't matter what somebody means, only what someone else says they mean.

    Welcome to 2006. Can I go home now?
     
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    fence-sitters and disgruntled republicans are not going to be riled up by this. hard-core bushites will. i'm sure rove has been desperate for any ammunition, and will run with this as far and hard as he can. you'll hear a lot of noise in the coming days, but i don't expect to see any movement in the polls.
     
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    Nope, you have to stick around and turn out the sun after everyone leaves.
     
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    Damn, thanks. Isn't it your turn?
     

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