Kerry's Wife, "Shove it"

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  1. LethalWolfe macrumors G3

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  2. IJ Reilly macrumors P6

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    Oooh, hold the presses. I'll bet she doesn't stay home and bake cookies, either.
     
  3. edesignuk Moderator emeritus

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    Say it ain't so! :eek:

    Shesh, does anyone care, does it matter that she may have told some slime ball journalist where to go? ...don't think so...
     
  4. mischief macrumors 68030

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    In other news....

    [joke/] CNN will be airing a serial Punch-and-Judy puppet show in place of standard election coverage this year in the hopes of raising voter interest. Surveys show that the wacky little puppets, favourites for centuries can actually get better voter turnout than the (piles of rotting fish dressed up in suits) presented by the major Parties as candidates.

    Associated Piethrowers[/joke]

    I now return you to your regularly scheduled political melee. ;)
     
  5. Taft macrumors 65816

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    This is horrible! And so much worse than telling a colleague to "**** off."

    She deserves the death penalty.

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  6. zimv20 macrumors 601

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    from the CNN article:
    editorandpublisher has some more info on him here:
    leave it to CNN to get only half the story
     
  7. mischief macrumors 68030

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    Infiltrating the Liberal Stronghold....


    I can see it now...

    " Here we are in their shrine to government wastage. There's a manifesto written in (gasp) plain english describing.. (dramatic pause) No... It's too horrible.... SINGLE PAYER HEALTHCARE!!! And... And... (deep gasp) A PLAN TO MAKE GOVERNMENT SEPERATE FROM GOOD CLEAN CHRISTIAN MORALISM! There's even a reference to some arcane tome called the "Bill of Rights" DEAR GOD MAKE IT STOP!!!! WILL THESE GODLESS COMMIES NEVER BE STOPPED!?!!?!"
     
  8. LethalWolfe thread starter macrumors G3

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    It is a rather pointless piece of "news" but I just wondered what kind of response it would get.

    Although it is odd she denied saying something she obviously said (everyone's favorite phrase, "un-American").

    Politicians... go figure.


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  9. IJ Reilly macrumors P6

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    I thought she was the politician's wife. Anyway, I've been hanging onto this for a while. Time to share it.
    IN PRAISE OF UNRULY WOMEN

    By Arianna Huffington

    Teresa Heinz Kerry is a breath of fresh air, so why are the media choking on it?

    Almost every story about her these days includes at least one snarky remark - usually attacking her for her refusal to endlessly regurgitate the same preapproved talking points.

    According to the chattering class, Heinz Kerry is - and I quote - "too outspoken," "too opinionated," "slightly zany," "eccentric and unpredictable," "the queen of direct" and - cover your ears, kids - "says what she thinks, when she thinks it."

    In other words, she's an unconventional straight shooter. The horror!

    (Reporters also seem to have a big problem with her hair, which has variously been described as "unkempt," "unruly," "humidity-frizzed," "voluminous" and "expensively colored a rich auburn" - but that's follicle fodder for another column.)

    Even Maureen Dowd, no slouch herself in the independent-thinking department, felt compelled to write not one but two columns in the course of 10 days slamming Teresa for, among other things, being "flaky."

    You gotta love this about our media mavens: They are constantly bemoaning the lack of forthrightness in our pubic figures - the vast majority of whom wouldn't know a straight answer if it bit them in the butt. But when they are finally presented with someone who doesn't (pardon the expression) beat around the bush, they start sharpening the long knives.

    They're like a bunch of little kids who have gotten so used to being fed nothing but vanilla ice cream for dessert that a serving of Rocky Road with some sprinkles on top leaves them sputtering and crying, "Yuck!"

    Most of the American public, on the other hand, possess a far more developed and discerning palate - and can appreciate more complex and piquant flavors.

    And when it comes to spicing up the political dessert tray, Teresa Heinz Kerry is one of the most flavorful and compelling public figures to hit the national stage in decades.

    When I first met her in Washington in 1980, she was a very popular Republican wife, with views very similar to the ones she holds today. Now she's a Democratic wife, a philanthropist who oversees a foundation that gives tens of millions to causes like the environment, healthcare and early education, a loving mother, grandmother and stepmother. She grew up in Mozambique, went to college in South Africa where she marched against apartheid, is fluent in five languages, and learned so much about medicine from her oncologist father that friends and family have nicknamed her "Dr. T."

    And unlike most politicians, she has a natural gift for intimacy and interacts with campaign crowds of 5,000 as if she were sitting around chatting with a small group of friends.

    Yes, she is indeed unabashedly open with her opinions on everything from the war in Iraq ("I would never have gone to war this way") to George Bush ("fazed by complexity") to Botox treatments (she's had them).

    But isn't that what we claim to want from those in public life? Or are we comfortable with authenticity only when it's a contrivance manufactured to appear authentic?

    "I am the product of living in dictatorships," Teresa has said. "It makes you cherish the ability to be yourself, to have feelings and to speak them when asked. People say I'm blunt. I say, 'No, just honest.'"

    It's this honesty that has led the media to brand her with the scarlet O for offbeat - a caricature given national credence by a Newsweek cover that trumpeted: "Is John Kerry's Heiress Wife a Loose Cannon or Crazy Like a Fox?"

    It was character assassination by headline - especially since the cover line was not in any way reflective of the story inside, which painted Heinz Kerry as warm, smart, alive, funny, and, yes, brutally honest.

    It's hard to imagine that headline - which was, incidentally, written by a man - being used to describe a man. As Marlo Thomas once said: "A man has to be Joe McCarthy to be called ruthless. All a woman has to do is put you on hold."

    We may have come a long way, baby, but there is no doubt that there is still a double standard when it comes to women in politics - especially political wives - who are supposed to be smart but not so smart that they're threatening, and strong but not so strong that they are intimidating.

    It's a high-wire tightrope act, one that's almost impossible to pull off to the political media's satisfaction. And this at a time when girl power is blossoming in other parts of our culture, especially sports and entertainment. Last week's Olympic Trials featured women going faster, higher, stronger than ever before. And our movie screens are filled with indomitable, determined women like "Kill Bill's" Beatrix Kiddo or Keira Knightley's kick-ass Guinevere in the new "King Arthur."

    But try to apply these attributes to politics and the media start acting like it's 1958 - they suddenly don't know how to handle smart, accomplished, complex women. Judy Dean wasn't glamorous or supportive enough, Hillary was too smart and too strong, and Teresa is too loose-lipped and too unpredictable.

    So it really isn't much of a surprise that the political wife the media seem most comfortable with is Laura Bush, who has chosen to take on the image of the perfect 1950s sitcom housewife.

    She's the Harriet Nelson of first ladies, the quintessential deferential spouse, praised by her husband for not "trying to butt in and always, you know, compete" and lauded by the media for her ability "to balance strength and subservience." I guess I missed the moment where subservience became a virtue.

    When Laura Bush was asked what advice she'd given her twin daughters before sending them out this summer to campaign for their father, she replied: "Stand up straight and keep your hair out of your eyes." Words to live by - if you're Marabel Morgan. Somehow I don't think those are the same words of wisdom Teresa Heinz Kerry passed on to her stepdaughters before they hit the hustings.

    Both Teresa and Laura are scheduled to deliver primetime speeches at their respective party conventions. The contrast between the two - and what this contrast says about the men in their lives - should be stark. Out on the campaign trail, Teresa is given to in-depth discussions about health care and global warming. Laura tends to say things like: "I'm not privy to the policy disputes. I'm not over there at the table where everyone is actually formulating specific policy." Heaven forbid.

    "We need to honor women in all their complexity," Teresa Heinz Kerry told me. "It's time that we acknowledge the wisdom women have acquired by managing the chaos of daily life. Women are realists, the glue that holds society together. They bring a reverence to life that's instinctual, not just intellectual."

    Thirty-eight million women didn't vote in 2000, many of them because they were so disgusted with our inauthentic politics-as-usual. If even a small percentage of them turn out this November, they could very well end up deciding the election and the direction of the country.

    So I propose that we turn on its ear the traditional good-old-boy political litmus test - which candidate would you rather have a beer with? Instead, let's ask the women of America: which candidate's wife would you rather have a cup of coffee with?​
     
  10. Sun Baked macrumors G5

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    Maybe the the Heinz Princess is a foul mouthed redneck at heart, if that's the case "shove it" could be considered quite civil an educated.
     
  11. trebblekicked macrumors 6502a

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    colin mcnickle is a horses ass. he was there to get a rise out of someone, and he did it. what she said was quite civil considering the mindless bunk he spews about her and her husband from his weekly soap box.
     
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    Okay, I'm gonna play devil's advocate. Though I'm a dyed-in-the-wool liberal and I want Kerry to win, I do have to admit I've got a problem with his wife's behavior.

    McNickle may very well be an idiot -- it sure sounds like it -- but Mrs. Heinz Kerry should not be descending to his level, and certainly not in such a public venue wherein she might be videotaped or even observed by bystanders.

    It sounds like both the reporter and Heinz Kerry were wrong: he for claiming she said "un-American activity", she for claiming she never used the word "un-American."

    In my view, while Heinz Kerry has the right to speak her mind, if she truly wants to see her husband become president she should bite her tongue in situations like this, or at least learn to handle it with something more like sarcastic wit, rather than a vulgarism like "shove it". Rightly or wrongly, people's perceptions are colored by incidents such as these, and the last thing we need is fence-sitting voters making their decisions on the basis of incidents such as this one.

    It would have been much better to for her to respond, "I didn't say 'un-American activities," I said "un-American traits." Upon learning that the reporter worked for the Tribune-Review, she should've just added, "I have no comment for you, since your newspaper is obviously biased."
     
  13. Taft macrumors 65816

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    Then I'm sure he would've just given up and walked away, right? :rolleyes:

    I see where you are coming from, and I agree that she should probably use more tact so as not to jeapordize her husband's chances. But this guy wouldn't just go away. He kept coming back and asking the same question over and over. He was like the fly on the butt of a horse.

    And this is what passes for journalism these days? Pestering politicians and celebrities until they give you your sound bite? Disgusting.

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  14. Sayhey macrumors 68000

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    For those who are interested in what this little "spat" is about the following is necessary reading:

    Heinz Foundation

    Looks like the Richard Mellon Scaife slime machine is well geared up to foul the political waters if Kerry is elected. "Shove it" seems tame.
     
  15. IJ Reilly macrumors P6

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    Nicely googled. I don't see the name Colin McNickle in the attached articles, but I do find Limbaugh, David Bosse and Drudge, the Mount Rushmore (so to speak) of the GOP crud machine. It is also certainly true that Republican spouses aren't made to endure personal attacks.
     
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    This seems to be a popular tactic amongst Republican ultra-right win-at-any-cost-while-demonizing-the-left spin doctors.

    First, one of them writes a story, often online, often editorial. It's filled with either outright lies or total misrepresentation of the facts. (In this case, I think it was frontpagemag [a favorite place for sly/voltron to dig up "facts"] that did the initial "report")

    Next, that op-ed is quoted and reported on by other fringe elements that are closer to the mainstream.

    Then, another publication, oftentimes a more reputable source (a somewhat major but very slanted newspaper) picks it up, "reporting on the reports," so to speak, rather than doing their own investigation.

    At this time, there are many sources adding their own spin, and the major newspaper frees itself from being held to journalistic standards by quoting the secondary information.

    Finally, it reaches some major newspapers, who cannot ignore the buzz that has spread. If they have integrity, they often will provide the truth, but the story is still posed as a question raised by the original bull**** story.

    Then, everyone from Limbaugh to Hannity and in a twist of irony, the original sources themselves, will be able cite these reports from reputable news sources to give gravity to an otherwise fabricated story.
     
  17. mischief macrumors 68030

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    Perhaps it was a misquote?

    Perhaps she actually said: "Shovel it."

    A reference to the load he was attempting to fork over?
     

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