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Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by leekohler, Oct 27, 2005.
Just gotta love the south!
Oooo! I remember when there were people claiming that Kerry was tainted because there were Socialist groups supporting him! I wonder if that concept still applies?
I know, I know, it's irrelevant. I just wish it was that way ALL the time.
But, on the plus side, perhaps this will drive a few more people away from supporting this awful proposal.
I wonder what my ancestors would say... one great-grandfather was a grand wizard in the KKK, another was black, and I'm gay. We should have our own panel show. Like the McLaughin Group. But more attractive.
This may sound cynical, but I suspect many people in Texas might secretly sympathize with the Klan. Just my own suspicion.
Hey, the south's got plenty to complain about, but IIRC, the KKK didn't start in the south--it was Indiana, I believe.
i nominate this for Post of the Month.
You know, this is SORT OF amusing. Let me explain:
I am a liberal and a strong supporter of gay rights. I don't believe in any kind of discrimination. BUT...
If I was a bible-following Christian Texan household mom with three kids, and I saw that the KLAN was supporting this proposal, I probably wouldn't care what the bible wanted, I'm going to go and vote against it because quite frankly, the KKK is not a group whose example ANYONE should follow.
That's right, and my buddy's uncle was the grand wizard at one time. It was a wonderful state. I know I enjoyed the beatings.
It would be nice if the churches and the KKK were united on this issue. It would show how closed-minded many church-going folk are.
I don't about you guys, but the KKK took my baby away!
While Indiana, California, and other non-southern states have had large KKK organizations, its birthplace is in the southern state of Tennessee.
Most Texans are just ignorant, but few are hateful, so I don't know if I'd say that. But passive ignorance can be equally as dangerous unfortunately .
BTW- whatever happened with this scem0? Did it pass?
The voting for that won't be held till the 8th. Have I mentioned that I'm glad I moved away from Texas?
Yes- many times!
The KKK wasn't born in Indiana, but the Hoosier state was home to the rebirth of the KKK in 1920's.
Well- looks like the KKK won.
NEW YORK - Texas voters overwhelmingly approved a constitutional ban on same-sex marriage, making their state the 19th to take that step. In Maine, however, a proposal to repeal a new gay-rights law was trailing by a wide margin.
In California, voters had a chance to embolden or embarrass moviet star-turned-governor Arnold Schwarzenegger as they considered four measures he promoted as part of a power struggle with legislators and public-employee unions.
The contest in Texas was decided quickly - the ban was receiving about 76 percent support with about a third of precincts reporting. Like every other state except Massachusetts, Texas didn't permit same-sex marriages previously, but the constitutional amendment was touted as an extra guard against future court rulings.
"Texans know that marriage is between a man and a woman, and children deserve both a mom and a dad. They don't need a PhD or a degree in anything else to teach them that," said Kelly Shackelford, a leader of Texans For Marriage, which favored the gay marriage ban.
So I would expect a ban on divorce to follow?
Wow, hold off on the Texans. I have never been judgemental toward gay people, no reason to be really...
...that said, seeing as how judgemental gay people are toward Texas in this thread, I may change my mind.
Edit: Ever been to Dallas (lots of gay people), I would say that most gay people that are my friends and even those I have met, including some old neighbors we had, never felt (to my knowledge) like they were singled out. On the contrary, people's values may lead them to disagree with one another on principle, but that doesn't always mean they are less accepting of anyone else, gay, straight, black, white, etc.
I'm sure I don't get this reasoning. Lest we forget, we're talking about basic issues of civil rights here. Singling out one group to get the short end of the civil rights stick is inherently discriminatory. I'm confident that eventually a clear majority the nation will see the issue that way, but in the meantime, we're in for a rough ride.
Hmm, maybe since so many religious folks are so judgmental of gays, perhaps I should be judgmental of them in response.
Two wrongs DO make a right after all...
Would you expect anything less?
The KKK are sad. They are no more than a hate group.
These are sad little individuals who need to grow up.
It looks like it's the other way around. You don't see the religious folks comparing the gay folks to anything (as we were compared to the KKK). People in Texas voted their values, would you want them to do anything different? So you disagree with the majority of Texans, people that disagree with eachother can still be non-judgemental and find common ground...
I wouldn't have been mad if the vote went the other way. It would have reflected the values of the majority, and I would have been fine with it.
So- voting to deny people equal rights is a value?
I'd make this friendly suggestion to everyone who is "all right" with discriminating against any group because it "reflects the values of the majority." I suggest you start thinking today about your excuses for how wrong you were, because you will need them eventually, in not very many years from now I believe. OTOH, it's not too late to be on the right side of history.
I'm sure this would be easier if I happened to be gay (and was exposed more directly this sort of crap), but it's not at all difficult to find religious folks comparing gays to all sorts of things. This delightful document was a quick find: