Larry Ellison Hints at Bleak Future For Apple Without Steve Jobs

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  1. macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001

    Oracle CEO Larry Ellison, who was a close friend of Steve Jobs, hinted that Apple may have a bleak future without Jobs in an interview with CBS News' Charlie Rose (via AllThingsD) where he was asked how he thought the company would do without its co-founder.
    Ellison seems to be referring to when Jobs was ousted by the Apple board in 1985, causing the company to struggle. Jobs returned in 1997 and rebuilt the company, streamlining product lines and introducing successful new offerings like the iPod, iPhone, and iPad.

    YouTube video via The Verge
    In addition to being friends with Jobs, Larry Ellison was an Apple Director until he stepped down from the board in 2002, affording him a look at the inner workings of Apple. He also publicly hinted at buying the company when it was struggling in 1997.

    The full interview is set to appear on "CBS This Morning" on Tuesday morning.

    Article Link: Larry Ellison Hints at Bleak Future For Apple Without Steve Jobs
  2. macrumors member

    Apr 14, 2006
    Chilliwack, BC
    Funny, Ellison steps down from the board in 2002, right around the time that Apple's second coming started in earnest.
  3. macrumors G4


    Mar 24, 2006
    Reminds me of when Michael Dell started pontificating a similar rhetoric back in the day.
  4. macrumors 68000

    Jul 3, 2009
    Coming from the guy who is one bad weekend away from turning into that Macafee guy that's pretty rich.
  5. macrumors 65816


    Jun 3, 2009
    SF Bay Area
    Completely different situation. Back then the people who fired Jobs hated his guts.

    This time, Jobs trusted most (if not all) the people on the exec team.
  6. macrumors 65816

    May 20, 2008
  7. macrumors 6502a

    Jul 12, 2010
    Yup it's happening. Just look at the state of iOS 7 and the cheap plastic rumoured iPhones. Steve Jobs would have never allowed this.
  8. macrumors newbie

    Aug 11, 2013
    Steve probably never cared about the company---just his legacy. Apple's demise is plausibly all part of his plans of immortalization.
  9. macrumors 6502

    Feb 25, 2003
    Tempe, AZ
    Just as long as we dont go back into numbering schemes i think we'll be fine.

    iPad 5220!
    iPhone IIvi!
    Mac Pro 9600!
  10. macrumors regular

    Aug 12, 2011
    Whether you like his opinion or not, you do kinda have to respect it. Even though it was so late in the 90s and early in the 2000s when he was on Apple's board, he did see a lot more than the public does of what goes on in the company.

    I'm tired of the "Steve would've never let this happen" thing. But on the other hand, if the board is worried there hasn't been enough innovation since Steve has been gone, you have to wonder what's going on in the product pipeline, especially since Steve set Apple up for a few years.

    Was the Retina display MacBook Pro the last thing in Steve's pipeline? Did the company change course? Is Tim Cook not acting as Steve had wished?

    But needless to say, not a single person in the public knows what's going on behind closed doors and can't answer any of these questions I just stated. We'll just have to wait and see.
  11. macrumors newbie

    Sep 16, 2006
    Orlando, FL
    Larry Ellison is a clueless arrogant prick. That is the number 1 reason i left Oracle - i was sick of making him rich while our bonuses were cut every year. Take his prediction with a grain of salt. He is clueless. I don't know what Steve saw in him. I think he just liked competing with him.
  12. macrumors 6502


    Jul 17, 2013
    Did anyone else re-read that quote a few times to see if they missed something?
  13. macrumors 68000


    Apr 11, 2013
    Washington D.C.
    Unfortunately it's true. It's not just Steve's impact, but the entire concept of drive for the company. Everything they do is so interdependent on their overall theme of delivering a good product, while using the bare minimum hardware. That's such a delicate method, that if they fail to do that correctly, they will lose all hope. And of course Jony Ive taking over iOS and sh***ing all over the design doesn't help things. He got rid of what everyone loved about iOS, and now even though it looks more modern, it is a cluster fk of white, and the device is harder to use, and takes more time. It's not just getting used to things, it just isn't as intuitive. You can't even tell what half of the icons are while in apps anymore because they're just blank icons with white outlines.
  14. macrumors 601


    Mar 18, 2008
    California, United States
    Yea, especially that air graph he drew with his finger. Brilliant!
  15. macrumors 6502a

    Nov 20, 2012
    That's a joke, right?
  16. macrumors 6502


    Jul 17, 2013
  17. macrumors 68030

    Oct 9, 2007
    Of course the last time Steve left the company he hadn't been running it in the first place and clearly didn't pick the executive team left behind.

    While Apple's future may or may not be bleak, what happened the last time isn't a valid comparison.
  18. macrumors G5


    Nov 14, 2011
    NID....surprised it took 7 posts before we saw it. :D
  19. macrumors 6502


    Oct 2, 2008
    iOS 7 is gorgeous (a few dubious choices for the stock app icons notwithstanding), and it has worked beautifully since Beta 3 or 4, too.
  20. macrumors 68040


    Sep 29, 2009
    Steve Jobs released cheap plastic iPods, cheap plastic MacBooks.
  21. macrumors 68030


    Sep 3, 2010
    stop being such a cliche.

    iOS 7 is solid, whether you're afraid of change or not. and lower cost iPhones for emerging markets (read: poor, and kids) is exactly what they need. jobs did the same exact thing with the iPod. hell for all you know he planned it.
  22. macrumors G5


    Nov 14, 2011
    Speak for yourself.
  23. macrumors 68030


    Sep 3, 2010
    yep. and trained them, and hand-picked his successor, and designed an internal teaching academy.


  24. macrumors 6502


    Jul 17, 2013
    Thank you! I completely agree and it seems that nobody around here can this through their heads.
  25. macrumors 68030


    Sep 3, 2010
    there's absolutely no reason to believe the board is worried. you're referencing an unsubstantiated rumor from Fox. let that sink in.

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