Launch of Obamacare "like an Apple product"

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    Kathleen Sebelius, Secretary of Health and Human Services:




    My emphasis. Don't all rush at once. You've got until 15 December. As far as the plans go, they're divided into bronze, silver, gold and platinum...

    If only you could get bronze iPhones which would be awesome... let alone platinum ones.
     
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    Heavy reliance on technology may not be what is best for poor people... :(

    Healthcare law is inherently complicated...and reliance on high-technology can help explain things and break them down, but at some point will reliance reach a point of over-reliance...??
     
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    I wanted to check out the site today for Michigan, which is just run through the Healthcare.gov site. First a delay to sign in - said too many people using it. Minute or two later, get to go through the process to make an account and I got an error at the end. Tried again, same thing.

    I was going to wait out the bugs, but I was bored and wanted to see my options. I guess I'll just need to wait.
     
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    It's not like there's a limited number of products or tickets to sell and they'll run out if people don't sign up straight away. Everyone signed up before December 15 gets coverage starting in January.

    While you're waiting, your fellow citizens are always good for a chuckle when asked about whether Obamacare is better than the Affordable Care Act:









    :)
     
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    Except no one is forced to buy an Apple product.
     
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    No-one is forcing you to buy health insurance.

    BL.
     
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    Yeah, but when YOU don't buy yourself an iPhone, WE'RE not compelled to buy one for you.
     
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    The comparison is about the process of a product rollout or launching a new service, not the product itself. Thought that's kinda obvious, to be honest.
     
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    Huh, not only am I being forced to buy health insurance or face a tax....I mean penalty....Oh wait, it was a tax all along but the health insurance I am being forced to by costs DOUBLE what my previous plan cost.
     
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    And if you don't - you have to pay a penalty tax. So yes, you are being forced to buy it or pay in via a tax.
     
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    Yes, but you will be taxed accordingly. And the tax goes up each year as the IRS is watching (and probably the NSA as well).

    From the Washington Post: www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/09/30/?p=63297/

     
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    Funny. My dad's premiums will be cut almost in half and he's in a pretty high income bracket. I call BS on your claim.

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    Good, if you don't have health insurance you're a burden to society.
     
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    I've just read that the exchange site in New York had two million hits in two hours and that's just New York State alone. No wonder things are running a bit flakey or falling over. I'm sure some support people here could put that into perspective.

    Clearly, the American people don't want affordable healthcare.
     
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    So didn't they vote to delay this for a year?
     
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    I was paying $180 per month with Kaiser now I am paying about $360 per month on a plan I was forced onto that I didn't want because my previous plan was illegal under Obamacare.

    Its a funny, I just checked the CA exchange and it would cost me $435 per month for their base plan. Even more than I am paying now.
     
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    No. Where did that myth even come from? I started hearing it a month ago.
     
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    Do you know why exactly? What about it hasn't met the new standards?
     
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    It had extremely low premiums and extremely high deductibles.

    Being young and in good health paying $100 per Doctors visit every other year was fine. Now it is $20. So I save $80 but pay an extra $4,000 in premiums. WOOT!!!

    I also get 'free' preventive care - like colonoscopies - something I don't need as well as 'free' mammograms and female birth control....which is funny because I am male.

    I had a plan that fit my lifestyle and cost exactly what I wanted to pay. Because of Obamacare, that choice was taken off the table and has cost significantly more.
     
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    I've heard nothing at all about Obamacare making such plans illegal. Do you know which parts of the ACA say so?
     
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    Could be that his insurer used to think such an option was necessary to get the young and healthy to sign up. Even his paltry premiums were better than no premiums. So with none less of an option, nearly none is less attractive.
     
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    Please show in the law where you are forced to buy health insurance.

    You still have a choice: get health insurance, or not. Not getting health insurance comes with a consequence, but no-one is FORCING you to buy it.

    Think about it this way.. any employer who pushes their employees to this Marketplace/exchange just put a price tag on your health, and value in their company. They basically just stated that your health, welfare, and value to their company is too big of a price to pay.. They decided that it would be cheaper to pay that annual fine, per person, than to help keep you healthy so you can provide more value and longevity at that company..

    .. but they still want you to work for their company to increase their revenue. In short, they lowered your value for them, but want to keep you on board to keep making money for them. Is that really what you want a company to think of you?

    As an individual, no-one is forcing you to buy it. You can pay the tax, but if you know the things you could do, you could write off that tax and not have to pay a single portion of it at all. For example: home-based businesses could write this off as an expense for the business.

    Whether you want to or not is up to you, but no-one is forcing you to buy it. You have a choice: get health insurance, or not. Again, you have a choice.

    BL.
     
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    You do know how regular insurance works, right?

    And that Reagan signed a law so that every taxpayer pays for uninsured poor people who go to the emergency room, right?

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    Can you show me some proof these changes wouldn't have happened without Romneycare?
     
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    As you should be.

    If you go to the hospital, you don't get denied treatment when you don't have insurance. But then the people who do have insurance end up having their costs go up to pay for it. That's not right.

    Furthermore, there's people who don't have insurance who go to the ER with small problems that would be covered by a general practitioner if they had insurance. This increases costs even more as ER service is clearly much more expensive than a GP.


    We should eliminate the for-profit health care companies altogether, simplify the system, and have everyone's healthcare paid for as a portion of taxes instead of a separate bill, but this is better than nothing.
     
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    How could it be "illegal" under obamacare? No, seriously how is that possible?
     
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    At first I took issue with "forced to buy insurance" mandate.

    Then came the SCOTUS ruling and Justice Roberts calling it a tax, which feeds into what you wrote above.

    I agree that you are not forced to carry insurance, you have accountability for not carrying insurance through the government's ability to tax, which is not the same thing.
     

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