Let's get something clear: transferring iTunes purchases - LEGAL or ILLEGAL?

Discussion in 'Apple TV and Home Theater' started by Amnesiac7, Apr 11, 2012.

  1. macrumors member

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    I posted this earlier today, in a thread that is now locked for some reason:

    I received this reply, as to why this might be illegal:

    This is an odd response, no? This person is essentially saying it could be illegal if I decided to distribute it online to 10,000 other 'friends' -- BUT this is CLEARLY something that I have no interest in doing and would obviously never do. The original post is asking about how I can continue to watch MAD MEN with my girlfriend using my purchased copies of the episodes (this is comparable to bringing a DVD set of Mad Men to my girlfriend's house, no?). The original post has nothing to do with mass distributing the episodes on the internet or something awful like that. Why would it, given the fact that I'm obviously not at all interested in doing something that stupid and awful?

    This is why the response is weird -- it's like, the person said "WHAT YOU ARE WANTING TO DO IS NOT ILLEGAL BECAUSE APPLE ALLOWS A CERTAIN NUMBER OF AUTHORIZED COMPUTERS TO SHARE CONTENT. BUT, IF YOU DID IT ANOTHER WAY, IT WOULD BE ILLEGAL -- AND BY 'ANOTHER WAY', I MEAN TRYING TO UPLOAD IT ONLINE TO 10,000 PEOPLE, WHICH IS SOMETHING YOU CLEARLY ARE NOT INTERESTED IN DOING BUT I'LL MENTION IT ANYWAY EVEN THOUGH IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR ORIGINAL POST!".

    So, seriously, what gives? What I am wanting to do is clearly not illegal, right?

    If I make my girlfriend's MacBook an 'authorized' computer that is allowed to share my iTunes content, then we can continue our MAD MEN watching in a totally legal fashion, right? When I bring a USB stick with my LEGALLY PURCHASED MAD MEN episodes on it and try to play it on her computer, which I would then authorize.... this is perfectly legal, right?

    Someone please clarify this for me, thanks.
     
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    Ahh, because it was closed because you already posted this and it got closed. This will be closed soon as well.
     
  3. thread starter macrumors member

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    Will it? Why? If so, that's unfortunate. I'm sorry about breaking the rules, but this is a question that I think warrants attention (and since it is no longer a duplicate thread, I am assuming it is therefore no longer in violation of the forum rules -- especially since it is NOT an exact regurgitation of the first thread that got locked, but asks a slightly different question in relation to the same general topic).
     
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    It's illegal friend, You are not only violating copyright, but also Apple TOS.

    You are also breaking this forums rules, discussions about that are NOT allow, and trying to reopen a thread that was already close is also against the rules.
     
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    How is it illegal if Apple allows it through their system of authorized computers?

    Can someone point me toward what legal options I have? If I own a laptop, for instance, I can obviously transfer my purchases from my iMac to that laptop and then bring it to my girlfriend's place and watch the iTunes content that way. Is this the only legal option I have?

    I think I'll call AppleCare about this and try to get a clear answer before I do anything.
     
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    Nope, you still posted it after it got locked. Against forum rules.

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    Their system is for your use if you have more than one computer. Not for you to share copyrighted content with people.
     
  7. macrumors demi-god

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    Let me google the iTunes Store terms of service for you. Hold on.

    http://www.apple.com/legal/itunes/us/terms.html#SERVICE
     
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    Well, look, this is a public forum. We can't tell just you how to get around DRM restrictions without the entire internet seeing the answer. I was not accusing you of piracy, I was saying that any answer we give you would also be of use to pirates.

    And I'm guessing that's why they closed the last thread. Macrumors doesn't want posts on defeating DRM even if you personally happen to be a decent person. It's still up there for everyone else in the world to see.

    As for a 'real' answer to your problem, something I honestly suggest is buying an Apple TV and keeping it and an HDMI cable in your bag. Put any videos you buy on an iOS device and then plug the Apple TV in wherever you go. This lets you play stuff anywhere with no problems whatsoever.

    Perfect? No. Is what you want reasonable? For sure. I wish it DID work the way you want it to work. But it doesn't work that way, and to get exactly what you want requires breaking Apple's DRM, so there's no way for a post like that to exist on Macrumors.
     
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    But if my girlfriend comes over, sits down, and watches MAD MEN with me, that's OK? It's not like I'm giving her the files to KEEP. It was meant as a solution to a problem: she lives in another city, we want to keep watching this show, I purchased it, now I need to get it to her so when I visit her, we can keep watching.

    If it's illegal, though, then I have to find a legal method.

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    I see. OK, I didn't consider that, sorry. I can see how that would be problematic, obviously.

    I see. Thank you. Sorry if my reply offended you in any way, I just wanted clarification. Apple TV seems like a good idea. I can use my iPhone to store my iTunes purchases (i.e., sync my iMac's iTunes content with my iPhone) and then stream them from the iPhone to my girlfriend's television, if I am spending the weekend with her, for instance? And this would be perfectly legal?

    If so, I'm wondering if the iPhone would actually store the 1080p Mad Men files. Since they're in 1080p, I'm wondering... if I sync the iTunes content on my iMac to my iPhone (and then later to my girlfriend's TV via Apple TV), would it sync the 1080p files or just sync a lower resolution/iPhone 'friendly' version of the files?
     
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    Not me. I just don't want you thinking the forum was being mean to you for no reason.


    I'm not sure, and it probably depends on which iPhone you have. But I CAN tell you that it won't convert the video without your knowledge. It will either copy it intact or it will say it couldn't copy that version. So if it works it works, you won't be surprised later.

    I'm nearly positive that the 4S will take it. I THINK the 4 will take it, but I'm kind of guessing here.
     
  11. Los
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    What was suggested to the OP is no different than what many families around the world among the apple community do, with their apps.

    They create one family apple account, and then share all the purchases. This method provides them the ease of being able to only buy an app once, and share it among their family members (most likely kids) so they don't have to rebuy those expensive games, over and over again.

    This method can be applied to any other media file that has DRM in the iTunes store. You get a computer, you authorize it, and you can redownload or backup your files into that computer and enjoy them. This is no different than a husband sharing with his wife, or a parent sharing the episodes with their kids. I see nothing wrong here.

    Music on the other hand, is a different matter. Although it is DRM-Free, it has the potential to be spreaded around torrent sites, and that is definitely illegal. Since the files don't need you to authorize a computer, I would be very careful with sharing your music files.

    OP, as long as you're not breaking the DRM off the files itself, and staying within the authorization restrictions. I see no problem with sharing with your girlfriend, just make sure that you type that password yourself. Do not give it away.

    Just my .02 cents.

    Edit: Also, the iPhone 4S can take 1080p iTunes files. I've done it myself. Handbrake encoded files on the other hand, are a different matter depending on the settings that you used.
     
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    What? You mean 2 cents right? Good.
     
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    He can do the same but he needs an apple device to share it, people don't manually copy those games and app to the other device they download it from apple servers using the same Apple ID, the apps get encrypted with that ID. You cannot share it otherwise.
     
  14. Los
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    Haha yeah. Oops. :D

    What do you mean by manually? For example before I had my mac, I had all my junk on my external hard drive running Windows. So, once I switched to a Mac, I just opened up iTunes as a new library, transferred everything. Authorized my computer, and presto. Everything worked just fine. This included apps, movies, and music (probably books too).

    Can't remember if I had to authorize my iPhone at the time though.

    This is of course, me assuming that he wants to her to watch the episodes on the computer. I believe synching to an iDevice requires yet another authorization to copy it over. I know apps do that for sure.
     
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    Which incidentally can also be shown to violate the iTunes TOS....
     
  16. Los
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    Please show. According to the section that the OP provided of the ToS, as long as it's within the 5 limit authorized computers/iDevices, and for personal noncommercial use. It's fine.

    However, I re-read the OP's post and noticed the mentioned sharing over the internet before he got to his girlfriend's house. That's not a good thing to do.
     
  17. macrumors member

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    TOS specifically refers to the agreement being with an individual, not a group of individuals, and specifically accords that individual with several responsibilities such as not sharing account information or data. It would not be hard for Apple to claim your suggestion as a violation of TOS and grounds for account cancellation. Just saying...
     
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    If he did buy the ATV couldn't he just skip the iOS device and watch them directly from the cloud?
    I thought all previously purchased TV shows were now available for streaming from Apple.
     
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    This is precisely why people pirate audio and video. If I *buy* the ****** content, then it's MINE to do with AS I PLEASE. Don't treat me like a criminal AFTER I've already bought it. If you make it difficult for me to do WHAT I WANT with something THAT I BOUGHT, then I'll happily not contribute to your bottom line.
     
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    To be clear, I was talking about using an Apple approved method and/or some obviously LEGAL method -- something comparable to Home Sharing, for instance -- to get the TV episode files to her.

    All this boils down to is that we want to watch some episodes of a TV show that I bought and downloaded. Since we currently live in separate cities, the logistics are a bit difficult. If she's here, fine, we'll watch it on my iMac, but if I'm visiting her, it becomes a more difficult situation.
     
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    If your GF has an HDMI-set, which I assume she does, then you could buy the HDMI adapter for your iPhone 4S and just watch the content on the big screen without the ATV. It'll save you around $60, too.
     
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    so basicly i buy a movie that my mom and me like and i put the file on her computer and authorize her itunes to play the movie i bought as we are in the same house and her apple tv plays it then its wrong
     
  24. macrumors 68040

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    I am confused.

    You can authorize up to 5 computers on an account. So bring your files with you and authorize her computer when you are there. Watch, and when you leave deauthorize.

    Or get an ipad.

    You can share content across multiple computers at home as long a everyone is using the same itunes account. Families do it all the time. I think its called "Home Sharing"

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    No its not wrong.

    The ATV is only accessing one account at a time. So, if you wanted to watch content from your account...you'd have to log out on the ATV and log in with your ID.
     
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    actually i authorized her computer to play that movie in itunes so she can play it with out having me authrize it for her from her apple tv but everything else is still running under her itunes account
     

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