Lightroom Performance on Older Machines

Discussion in 'Digital Photography' started by gregjp48, Feb 19, 2007.

  1. gregjp48 macrumors regular

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    Hi, I have an iBook G4 (1.33Ghz) with a gig of ram in it.
    Lightroom's specs say
    Mac OS X v.10.4
    PowerPC® G4 or G5 1GHz processor or Intel® Core™ Duo processor
    768MB of RAM (1GB recommended)
    1GB of available hard-disk space
    1,024x768 screen resolution
    All of which I have, yet I find lightroom's performance unacceptable, especially with so many people saying how it runs beautifully on their 800 mhz powerbooks.
    Maybe it's the fact that the ibook only has 32mb of Vram? Adobe didn't post graphics card requirements, and I figured it wouldn't be as tolling on the graphics card as aperture, as it doesn't rely on core image? Correct me if I'm wrong.
    Is there any way I could decrease the graphics usage? Any preferences in lightroom I could set to downplay the eyecandy a bit so it will run smoother? I'm editing 8mp jpegs, not raw files, so performance should not be so slow, no?
     
  2. gregjp48 thread starter macrumors regular

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    It's just extremely dissapointing because of the fact I don't have enough space to edit each photo individually in photoshop and save it with a new name. I like lightroom's method of editing, but the taxing on a 3d card is not necessary for a photo editing program.
    ugh
    I don't have the money for a new mac
    this is so annoyingly stupid
     
  3. Abstract macrumors Penryn

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    I don't think it's the graphics card. Lightroom doesn't make use of the graphics card as much as you think. Aperture does, but Lightroom doesn't.

    I think you need more RAM.


    Also, it's not really such a stupid situation. You can't expect the newest software to run well on your old machine, can you? Technology progresses on, and it's an expensive game. Believe me, I understand that. :eek:
     
  4. gregjp48 thread starter macrumors regular

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    Yeah, it kind of reminds me of that commerical
    i can't go to college because i don't have enough money
    i don't have enough money because i don't have a good job
    i don't have a good job because i didn't go to college
    i didn't go to college because i don't have enough

    I mean i love photography, but it's so difficult to post process with the open in photoshop > save new file method
    Isn't there a workflow application that doesn't need top of the line hardware?


    I'm trying my best to save for a macbook/imac or if I'm really lucky a mbp, but that's a long way off

    I have almost no money, maybe photography isn't the best hobby to get into lol

    BTW my ibook maxes out at 1.5 gb I think. Will lightroom benefit from 512mb more ram?

    Photoshop runs fine, it's just lightroom and aperture (of course) that I'm having problems with, so I was trying to narrow down the problem. I figured photoshop is even more memory hungry, so I thought that couldn't be the problem.

    And the problems with lightroom seem just about the drawing of the previews, switching panels, scrolling, so seem graphics related, just like when I am trying coverflow in itunes, or trying to watch streaming video online. That's why I suspected the graphics card.

    It is expensive. Why can't I be a normal stupid teenager just happy with a computer that will work with myspace? :D (of course my ibook has trouble drawing css transparency too, ugh)
     
  5. gregjp48 thread starter macrumors regular

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    I see from your profile you have a 1GHZ powerbook.
    What do you use for your photography?
     
  6. Abstract macrumors Penryn

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    I forgot to change my profile. :eek:


    I used to use iPhoto on it, but that was before I ever considered using Aperture (it sucked badly when I still owned the 12" PB), and before I really heard of Lightroom.
     
  7. gregjp48 thread starter macrumors regular

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    ugh not promising
    i think i'v erealised

    for our own convenience we need these things
    could i use phtooshop u bet
    but it's not convenient
    we buy stuff for advancement and therefore convenience,a nd our entertainment
    screw it, everyone should just be using the same stuff on dual g4s and be happy
    and manufacturers purposely make stuff harder to run on older hardware, so you'll buy new hardware
    what a stupid stupid world
    i think i'm converting to communism :p :rolleyes:
     
  8. bousozoku Moderator emeritus

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    I used the Lightroom beta on my 1.33 GHz 15.2 inch PowerBook and it seemed okay at editing but sluggish in the file browser, but I only had 768 MB of RAM at the time. Then again, Photoshop version 7.0x and Photoshop Elements 4.0x are somewhat sluggish, too.
     
  9. ChrisA macrumors G4

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    Photography CAN be inexpensive. But DIGITAL is not inexpensive. When I was about 13 I shot black and white film. It was cheap even for a kid and it still costs about what it did then. A few bucks per roll. But today film is even better because the price of film camera is so low. Good Nikon SLRs are selling at $100 or less. Compare that with the lowest price DSLR. Also film still wins big time in terms of image quality. No I'm not selling my Nikon film bodies.

    Slides are chaep too. For a while I was shooting Velvia transparencies, processing them E6 in a hand tank then mounting the few good shots and scanning the slides. About $5 per roll. Much cheaper than a DSLR.

    LR runs well enough on my G4 mini. It's not unlike a PB. Just don't run to much at once on it. I think the bottle neck is the bandwidth between the processor and the graphic card. To change an image all those pixels have to be moved between system RAM and VRAM. On a slow bus this can take a second or two.
     
  10. Plymouthbreezer macrumors 601

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    Lightroom is borderline painful on my G4, but only when working with medium and large image files. And forget RAW: be prepared to wait.... But my mom doesn't see the need to upgrade the family's computers anytime soon, so I'm stuck running it on what I have for now. I don't have the $2,000 for a new machine myself, so until college, I think I'm out of luck.

    Oh well, Photoshop and Illustrator still run fine. And Lightroom least runs (compared with Aperture)... I'll deal.
     
  11. srf4real macrumors 68030

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    So Lightroom 1.0 demo runs on a g4? The Apple link says g5 or higher.:confused:
     
  12. Plymouthbreezer macrumors 601

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    Yeah. it runs on a G4.
     
  13. kodiak macrumors newbie

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    i find it reasonable on my imac G4/1.25 with 1gb ram, 1800 images, about 50/50 jpeg/raw

    however, or course 1 persons reasonable, is anothers excellent, is anothers rubbish...

    just a few things i have found
    i.generating the (standard) previews is worthwhile
    ii. becareful which panels you have open when browsing
    iii. similarly care with which view options you are using
    iv. try to select only the set of photos you need, using the numerous filtering options.

    i know these, are specific to editing, but it seemed pretty snappy on editing a single file for me... remember first time you select develop it generates the 1:1 preview, unless you did this in advance.

    basically, i dont expect to be able with my machine to be able to have all bells and whistles, but like you - turn some off to get 'adequate' performance.

    also, have to remember its v1.0 (yes, it was in beta for ages... but even so)
    i can remember iphoto wasnt that snappy in previous versions with larger libraries... and i can see that lightroom has not been tuned for this this yet
    (e.g. it still tries to display every thumbnail, when scrolling thru the library)

    has anyone got performance tips? still early days i suppose...
     
  14. gregjp48 thread starter macrumors regular

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    i'm saving for a 2.16 Ghz 20" imac core 2 duo with 2GB of ram and a 256mb of Vram X1600 video card. With my education pricing, this comes to around $1600. Already have $300-ish Let the saving begin!

    of course by the time i get the money, the lines will be updated (but all the better) I may want to go with a 13 inch mbp if they come out with it, but i already have my ibook for portability (won't be editing photos on the road) so why compromise power (also into other processor intensive stuff).
     

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