Logic Control from Apple?

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    MacRumors

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    One anonymous report claims that Apple will be creating a new Control Surface (hardware) for both Final Cut Pro and eMagic's Logic. (example)
     
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    Hmmm...I don't think this will happen but we will see
     
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    I doubt it too, but I sure love my Logic Control!

    One thing I wish Apple would do is help eMagic clean up Logic's user interface...
     
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    am I the only person who's lost? What is a logic control surface?
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    Yah, pretty unlikely, simply because they already have the logic control. Made by Mackie, using some of the best parts around. Mackie also makes a similar product, the Mackie Control, very similar, you can put different Lexan Overlays on it to customize it depending on the program you want to use it with. So, since Apple and Logic already have a great piece of hardware that is fabulous for Logic, and would work equally well for Final Cut Pro, why reinvent he wheel. Unless they wanted something way cheaper? But for that there is the Mackie HUI.

    Anyhoo, I think most people would be a bit put out if Apple created there own Control Surface. Most people who would are most likely to use one, probably already own one. I think they'd be much more likely to add support for a control surface, which would be huge. Then test the waters and see if one of their own is a good idea.

    As well, Apple usually doesn't make add on Hardware, i.e. the AJA IO, or Matrox Realtime card, Apple partnered with to help design such products. But let those companies produce and market them. With most hardware things, Apple would rather have 3rd parties do it, then them build it themselves it seems. And for this, they already own the 3rd party that has the Logic Control.

    Anyoo, probably a good reason why this rumor made the back page.
     
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    i second that...
     
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    The Logic Control is a piece of hardware with faders and knobs and buttons that allows you to manipulate oncscreen faders and knobs in eMagic's audio software which is called Logic. (eMagic was acquired by Apple late last year so there is much speculation as to what will become of the acquisition.)

    To see what the Logic Control looks like, click the example link at the top of this thread.
     
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    Maybe they will just use the old one and get Ive's to redesign the skin to make it match with the Mac line. That would be sweet.
     
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    What if it is related to the "Apple is making an iPod for DJs" rumor?

    Say, a DJ can load a ton of loops and samples into his iPod, then get to the club and dock it into some sort of mixing station, with access to all his samples.

    I think Apple wouldn't necessarily make this piece of equipment, but they could be working with another manufacturer who already has distribution, marketing, and cache in the DJing world.
     
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    The rumors I've been hearing since february say that they are aiming more toward a pro level control surface such as the Pro Control or Control 24 by Digi. I heard emagic was teaming up with Euphonix to produce such a console, while Digi is teaming up with Solid State Logic to produce the replacement for the Pro Control. Either of these can't be priced less than at least 7 or $8k.
     
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    It's believeable that Apple may try.

    To say there is a rift between Mackie and Emagic/Apple is an understatement. Emagic was NOT happy about Mackie marketing the Logic Controller to other DAW manufacturers.

    Apple typically doesn't like to pay licensing fees where they don't have to. Don't be suprised to see an affordable controller built for FCP/Logic utilizing the same functionality of LC but adding in Firewire and perhaps other I/O features. The benefts to both FCP and Logic would be tremendous.

    Apple also is a mLAN licensee so I wouldn't be suprised to see that support as well.
     
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    Just to sum up, it's a hardware device to control a piece of software that you bought to replace your hardware pieces. Genius marketing. Not saying it doesn't work well, or that it's not a good idea, i'm just sayin'...
     
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    Well, if Apple does add control surface support. It would be kind of cool if it had a Media Converter in it, i.e. so you could send out via firewire, but watch on your TV. Both Logic and Final Cut have this feature, but require a Media converter (.i.e. DV to Analog Bridge).

    If they do create one of their own, I just hope they don't leave those of use that have a Logic Control, or Mackie Control out in the dark. That is, I hope the Final Cut Pro changes are an open ended thing that allows many control surfaces to work with it, which I'm sure it will be.

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    apple vs emagic?

    from talking to the emagic teams...they seem to be getting along very well and are interested in ideas from both sides. i think this relationship will grow very striong, but i think it will take a while to work out all the branding issues...

    it will be awhile before we see apple logos on emagics harware (which are very nice as is). but when we do...lookout!


    peace.
     
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    you missread it neut, no one ever said apple was vs emagic

    I agree logic could do with some tidying up 'apple' style. i've been using Logic since it came out and it is now overwhelmed with feaures that are in no particular order. It's still the best package though imho

    Mackie are a rotten company who make good products. I'm not suprised Emagic were pissed of with them after the controller fiasco.

    Apple could create something better. Also, Emagic's hardware line should be much better and broader and give MOTU a run for their money if they ever got it together

    And yes there is a gap in the market for a native non-pro tools controller

    iIve used all these things extensively.
     
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    Logic control and other thoughts....

    Personally I think it might be possible that Apple/Emagic are going to come up with a slimmed down version of the Logic controller, to match the imac's design, for all those small project/homestudio owners out there, and in addition even re-name re-brand the basic sequencer package of emagic, now called micrologic AV, and perhaps even logic audio. (base version)

    it might get more people than ever on to the Mac for music purposes, afterall the Mac is very established in the pro world, but seems to loose ground here in europe on the consumer side.
    Consumer products are important to any company, I like to see Apple's market share back to 10% or more in 5 years time, on that note, WHERE ARE THE APPLE STORES HERE IN EUROPE!!

    Get out in the open Apple, you are so hidden from the general public here, in my area it's even hard to find a mac magazine at the news agents, it 's PC's an games consoles everywhere, yuck!
     
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    Why?

    Why, they already have Logic control and mackie control not to mention Roland si-24 and vm3100 (combination audio pci interface/control surface works in os9 and osx (although not documented), Tascam usb 428 and firewire 1884 firewire based 4in4out midi 8in8out audio controll surface, digi oo2 firewire/audio/midi control surface. Yamaha o1x firewire/mlan/midi/audio 8-8 control surface/fx, and many others. also most higher end all in one daws made by Yamaha and roland can also be used for control surfaces. my bet is that apple will upgrade thier usb audio and midi interface to firewire as some others have like m-audio.
    If they do come out with one control surface it would look amazing but would have to have tech specs like the yamaha O1X, Protools Digi002, Tascam 1884, Roland SI-24, as all of these are firewire or pci interfaces 40MB/s-133MBs with 8 in-8out audio interfaces, midi interface, control surface, and compatable with more then i brands app.(logic-cubase-deck-dp4 etc.) for $999-$2299. As it is the logic/mackie control surface is overpriced at $999
     
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    A simple low priced setup would be sweet for those of us that are not pros.
     
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    It makes total sense.

    It's about control in more ways than one.

    Something that worked with two flagship mac software products which could also be marketed directly from Apple.

    No brainer really.
     
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    1. Because as I stated above there is a MAJOR rift between Mackie and Emagic over the LC.

    2. Licensing fees. Why pay them if you can design a better product yourself(increasing profits)

    3. Logic Control does nothing for audio I/O or Final Cut Pro.

    4. No PCI. That rules out laptops. Apple will be pushing Firewire as they rightly should.

    5. USB must be used sparingly. It's a poor bus for Audio.

    6. 3rd party hardware is not as desirable to many users as the homegrown stuff IMO. Any Logic user will know that Hardware from Apple/Emagic is going to work...and work right.


    As Bevvyb said this really is a "No Brainer" Using Logic with a mouse sucks and seeing as how Final Cut Pro has much more beefed up support for Audio I could FCP users hopping on this product to make their life easier.

    The Yamaha mlan mixer is nice but Apple wouldn't need to offer the built in effects of that unit IMO. Audio Unit support would be handled by the host computer. I'd like to see longer faders too over the Yamaha unit.
     
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    Guys..... I've been sitting on this awhile, but here's whats happening.

    Logic Control is over...... Mackie Control is getting Logic support. It'll come with a Logic overlay, and like when Mackie added ProTools support to Mackie Control... I think an Eprom upgrade will be needed by older units....

    Mackie Control is gonna rule the roost below Digi ProControl level....

    Not sure when this is happening.. maybe a month? but thats a guess....

    Al.
     
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    So you say the Logic Control is dying, but the Mackie Control is taking over, and will rule that market of low end control surfaces. I agree with you, and think it will rule that market.

    I'm just curious though, are you saying Apple will make their own Control because the Logic Control is on it's way out, or are you saying they learnded a lesson, use what's widely available, not proprietary, and for that reason, they'll adopt support in Logic and FCP for the Mackie Control and other units rather then build their own? By the way, just found out that the Mackie Control already does work in Logic in HUI emulation mode.
     
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    I don't know if Apple are making their own surface.. I wouldn't bet on it.... hardware's a big risk these days.

    Emagic (Apple) have agreed to supply the Logic Control eprom code to Mackie for supply with Mackie Control's in the near future.

    And yes Mackie Control does work in Logic, but the HUI 'template' is nowhere near as comprehensive as Logic Control's, Plus Emagic need something to offer the same amount of control as the Logic Control did.

    Al.
     
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    I'm excited, I hope your right, I would love it if my Mackie Control could have full Logic support. I hope that they'll add it in a form where I don't have to replace the eprom. Or at least in an eprom update like the Prootools one, where you still maintain compatability with all the other apps. That would be great. Infact, that's one of the few things holding me back from switching to Logic.

    Anyhoo, thanks for the insight.
     

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