Loyola University Blocks Campus Production

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  1. eyelikeart Moderator emeritus

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    I didn't want to go into the name of it up front, so u must read it in the article. Interesting story I found, since there was an opposite gender production last year without issues...and it's happening here in New Orleans. ;)

    story here
     
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    a jesuit school in manila, Ateneo de Manila did the same think last year when their students tried to hold that play, they ended up holding the play at another venue
     
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    Yet if I understood a Today Show segment yesterday, there is a High School that is producing the show.

    Go figure.

    Saw the HBO (?) film version and found it an interesting social "play".
     
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    it's an excellent one-woman play... very insightful and theraputic. I recommend everyone see it in some form... yes, it's sometimes used for shock value, but people trying to surpress productions of it are ignorant, imho. society and medicine have both ignored issues of womens health, and it's time we're able to say the word "vagina" without flinching.

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  6. Stelliform macrumors 68000

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    I haven't seen it, but I have read what it is about on-line. (So I am sure you are commenting on something specific that I couldn't find.) Anyway, correct me if I am wrong, isn't it Men's health that gets much less money and attention. (given the fact that as health consumers men are a sorry lot. Waiting until it is very late in the game to go to a doctor, and avoiding routine checkups more often than women. I mean there aren't hospitals devoted to Men. (Unless you count the cardiac specialty ones! ;) :D)

    I am consistently amazed at the array of women's health care that is out there, and how there isn't a large section of health care dedicated to men. But, I am not complaining. I really don't care that their is an imbalance in the women's favor, since I avoid the doctor like the plague. ;) :D

    Now if you are using "health" to shield our younger viewers on violence against women, I think you are doing them a disservice. (Since I have read some of the monologues discuss this.) I think violence against women needs more press. One of my clients is a non-profit dedicated to the education of men (batterers) teaching them how to break the cycle of violence against women. And as I have kept my eyes and ears open I have learned that at least two women that I have regular contact with were battered. It unfortunately is way more common than we want to believe. :(
     
  7. Bedawyn macrumors regular

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    This isn't really the case. It may seem so at first glance, that there is less labeled "men's health care," but that's because most of the time, unlabeled health care is really "men's health care." The whole "women's health care" issue started getting attention when people realized that for decades (most of the 20th century) the vast majority of medical studies -- on drug safety, on what was and wasn't healthy and normal, on the typical course of a disease -- were done using only male patients, and on topics that affected men more than women. But of course male and female bodies aren't the same, and aren't necessarily going to react the same. The popularity of "women's health care" these days is just playing catch up, so that when we say "health care" without a specifier, we'll be talking about health care that integrates both halves of the species.

    (The same is true, to some extent, of children's health care. For a long time, there was very little in the way of real safety testing for children's drugs; the studies were done on adult males, and doctors were left to guess about dosage levels and safety for both women and children.)
     
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    well, maybe in the past, but the hospital in my past home town recently finished a huge, multimillion dollar woman's health wing. doesn't sound like anyone is ignoring women's health, and this is iowa, a conservative state.

    there are no plans for a men's specific health wing.
     
  9. mactastic macrumors 68040

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    Oh but try to stop a prayer in school and you get labeled a PC-Nazi, or any number of other things.

    This smacks of PC-style censorship. As long as you agree things are cool. If not, censored.
     
  10. FriarTuck macrumors 6502

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    It's a Roman Catholic university, not a state school.
     
  11. mactastic macrumors 68040

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    So? And public schools are not religious. What's your point?
     
  12. FriarTuck macrumors 6502

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    How is a Roman Catholic university upholding Roman Catholic values censorship?

    It is about time, IMHO.

    Note I have not said a single thing in favor of prayer in public schools, so please don't confuse the issue. If you want to debate school prayer, start another thread.
     
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    I can see that... that makes sense.

    I really think that health care will begin to focus more on women in the future since we are currently a consumer based system, and women spend more on medical help than men, but it makes perfect sense that a male dominated system focused on men more.
     
  14. idkew macrumors 68020

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    You may continue to believe that women have no help, but lets look at some facts from the prostate cancer association. PC is, after-all, one of the biggest killers of men, and one of the few male specific diseases.


    Need I say more?
     
  15. rueyeet macrumors 65816

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    Yes, but the Breast Cancer Awareness people have done a lot to raise public consciousness of breast cancer, giving out little pink ribbons, organizing fund-raisers and support groups, and so on. If some guys got together a Prostate Cancer Awareness group and did the same stuff (don't want to know what color the ribbons would be, though!) I'm sure the dollars would follow.
     
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    So you're saying that if someone tried to get a prayer banned at a secular school, no one should or would protest it?

    I'm comparing the fact that you think it's OK for a Roman Catholic university to uphold their Roman Catholic values, with the attitudes of those who don't like the idea that a secular school upholds secular values. If you don't like the idea of prayer in school, and you also support the right of a Catholic University to ban performances they deem unsuitable, then you and I are on the same page. If, however, you think secular schools can't ban prayers, and Catholic Universities can ban this, then I would suggest that you are trying to have your cake and eat it too.

    And please, none of that 'don't confuse the issue' manure. Consistency across issues makes a credible debater. All I was commenting on was the number of posters we've had that express extreme outrage that someone is trying to stifle their viewpoint, while when the situation is reversed we see their positions switch.
     
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    Mactastic, you can debate school prayer all you want. And I agree that consistency is a good test of an argument. I am not an advocate of prayer in public schools, though I'll bet my reasons are somewhat different than yours.

    In any case, you suggested the school was doing something wrong by refusing to allow the performance of this show. I rejected your suggestion. And you haven't presented anything in reply except to start arguing about school prayer, which doesn't deal with the censorship question in any fashion.

    You started the debate on the question, but appear to have immediately abandoned it for greener pastures. Happy trails!
     
  18. mactastic macrumors 68040

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    And you followed off into the pastures on your high horse. I never said the school was wrong, you made that up to give you something to argue with me over. I don't mind if they do ban it, they have that right. There are you happy now? I was only commenting on... oh hell, read my previous posts if you want to know why I said what I did.
     
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    Forgive me for concluding that "This smacks of PC-style censorship. As long as you agree things are cool. If not, censored." was a derogatory statement. I was obviously confused.
     
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    say the word "penis" in public and people think of a body part, in medical terms. Say the word "vagina" and people blush, turn away, and think of porn.

    just my experience, anyway.

    it really amazes me that people are so anti-women in today's society. this whole "the vagina monologues are vulgar and dirty and evil" mindset is rather disheartening. roman catholic universities can do whatever they want, no one's questioning that. but i think they're wrong to ban it, because i don't think religion should be used as an excuse to ignore certain points of view, if even from conversation.

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    iv seen the vagina monologues about 3 times. one was a college production, 2 were done by a proffessional group.

    the more i watch it, the more i enjoy it. there are some parts which i still dont understand/cant relate to, but thats cuz i havent had women's life experiences. i think its a great play and it gets issues/grievances out there, i think that everyone should see it, or read the book that its based on.
     
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    anyone ever play penis? it is a game where two or more people say the word with increasing volume. this is normally done is a classroom, or somewhere where it is a bit risky.

    PENIS!
     
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    hehe okay, i will grant you that i've played it... even got kicked out of a restaraunt for it once... ah, the things one learns at Speech Contests...

    paul
     
  24. idkew macrumors 68020

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    this type of desensification (what word am i looking for?) could be one reason for the word vagina being a bit more taboo than penis.
     

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