Mac OS Panther PROBLEMS

Discussion in 'Mac OS X 10.3 (Panther) Discussion' started by Matt1984, Nov 15, 2003.

  1. Matt1984 macrumors newbie

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    I just recently installed OS X Panther on my computer it was running fine until now. First problem is that 10.3 won't boot unless its booting in Safe Mode. The 2nd problem is, when it does boot into safe mode, after the startup screen says starting login window it goes into the black darwin command line screen. It never boots into the mac os x gui. When i try not to boot into safe mode I get this message:
    Unresolved kernel trap(cpu 0): 0x200 - Machine check DAR=0x000000000030A334 PC=0x0000000014680890
    Latest crash info for cpu 0:
    Exception state (sv=0x145BD500)
    PC=0x14680890; MSR=0x00049030; DAR=0x0030A334; DSISR=0x0A000000; LR=0x14675C9C; R1=0x0758BD70; XCP=0x00000008 (0x200 - Machine check)
    Backtrace:
    0x0032D000 0x14675C9C 0x00035578 0x00035458
    Kernel loadable modules in backtrace (with dependencies):
    com.apple.iokit.IOATAFamily(1.5.5f1)@0x14669000
    Proceeding back via exception chain:
    Exception state (sv=0x145BD500)
    previously dumped as "Latest" state. skipping...
    Exception state (sv=0x14716A00)
    PC=0x00000000; MSR=0x0000D030; DAR=0x00000000; DSISR=0x00000000; LR=0x00000000; R1=0x00000000; XCP=0x00000000 (Unknown)

    Kernel version:
    Darwin Kernel Version 7.0.0:
    Wed Sep 24 15:48:39 PDT 2003; root:xnu/xnu-517.obj~1/RELEASE_PPC


    panic(cpu 0): 0x200 - Machine check
    Latest stack backtrace for cpu 0:
    Backtrace:
    0x000833B8 0x0008389C 0x0001ED8C 0x00090800 0x00093A6C
    Proceeding back via exception chain:
    Exception state (sv=0x145BD500)
    PC=0x14680890; MSR=0x00049030; DAR=0x0030A334; DSISR=0x0A000000; LR=0x14675C9C; R1=0x0758BD70; XCP=0x00000008 (0x200 - Machine check)
    Backtrace:
    0x0032D000 0x14675C9C 0x00035578 0x00035458
    Kernel loadable modules in backtrace (with dependencies):
    com.apple.iokit.IOATAFamily(1.5.5f1)@0x14669000
    Exception state (sv=0x14716A00)
    PC=0x00000000; MSR=0x0000D030; DAR=0x00000000; DSISR=0x00000000; LR=0x00000000; R1=0x00000000; XCP=0x00000000 (Unknown)

    Kernel version:
    Darwin Kernel Version 7.0.0:
    Wed Sep 24 15:48:39 PDT 2003; root:xnu/xnu-517.obj~1/RELEASE_PPC



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    Fri Nov 14 21:52:16 2003




    Unresolved kernel trap(cpu 0): 0x200 - Machine check DAR=0x000000000030A334 PC=0x0000000014680890
    Latest crash info for cpu 0:
    Exception state (sv=0x145BD500)
    PC=0x14680890; MSR=0x00049030; DAR=0x0030A334; DSISR=0x0A000000; LR=0x14675C9C; R1=0x0758BD70; XCP=0x00000008 (0x200 - Machine check)
    Backtrace:
    0x0032D000 0x14675C9C 0x00035578 0x00035458
    Kernel loadable modules in backtrace (with dependencies):
    com.apple.iokit.IOATAFamily(1.5.5f1)@0x14669000
    Proceeding back via exception chain:
    Exception state (sv=0x145BD500)
    previously dumped as "Latest" state. skipping...
    Exception state (sv=0x14716A00)
    PC=0x00000000; MSR=0x0000D030; DAR=0x00000000; DSISR=0x00000000; LR=0x00000000; R1=0x00000000; XCP=0x00000000 (Unknown)

    Kernel version:
    Darwin Kernel Version 7.0.0:
    Wed Sep 24 15:48:39 PDT 2003; root:xnu/xnu-517.obj~1/RELEASE_PPC


    panic(cpu 0): 0x200 - Machine check
    Latest stack backtrace for cpu 0:
    Backtrace:
    0x000833B8 0x0008389C 0x0001ED8C 0x00090800 0x00093A6C
    Proceeding back via exception chain:
    Exception state (sv=0x145BD500)
    PC=0x14680890; MSR=0x00049030; DAR=0x0030A334; DSISR=0x0A000000; LR=0x14675C9C; R1=0x0758BD70; XCP=0x00000008 (0x200 - Machine check)
    Backtrace:
    0x0032D000 0x14675C9C 0x00035578 0x00035458
    Kernel loadable modules in backtrace (with dependencies):
    com.apple.iokit.IOATAFamily(1.5.5f1)@0x14669000
    Exception state (sv=0x14716A00)
    PC=0x00000000; MSR=0x0000D030; DAR=0x00000000; DSISR=0x00000000; LR=0x00000000; R1=0x00000000; XCP=0x00000000 (Unknown)

    Kernel version:
    Darwin Kernel Version 7.0.0:
    Wed Sep 24 15:48:39 PDT 2003; root:xnu/xnu-517.obj~1/RELEASE_PPC



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    Fri Nov 14 22:56:29 2003




    Unresolved kernel trap(cpu 0): 0x400 - Inst access DAR=0x00000000E009D000 PC=0x0000000000000000
    Latest crash info for cpu 0:
    Exception state (sv=0x1438E500)
    PC=0x00000000; MSR=0x40009030; DAR=0xE009D000; DSISR=0x40000000; LR=0x00000000; R1=0x077A3CB0; XCP=0x00000010 (0x400 - Inst access)
    Backtrace:
    0x00290000 0x00277C88 0x0007B764 0x00021650 0x0001BCD0 0x0001C0D8 0x00093D58 0x00000000
    Proceeding back via exception chain:
    Exception state (sv=0x1438E500)
    previously dumped as "Latest" state. skipping...
    Exception state (sv=0x14AFA280)
    PC=0x900075C8; MSR=0x0000D030; DAR=0xE009D000; DSISR=0x42000000; LR=0x90007118; R1=0xBFFFDF10; XCP=0x00000030 (0xC00 - System call)

    Kernel version:
    Darwin Kernel Version 7.0.0:
    Wed Sep 24 15:48:39 PDT 2003; root:xnu/xnu-517.obj~1/RELEASE_PPC


    panic(cpu 0): 0x400 - Inst access
    Latest stack backtrace for cpu 0:
    Backtrace:
    0x000833B8 0x0008389C 0x0001ED8C 0x00090800 0x00093A6C
    Proceeding back via exception chain:
    Exception state (sv=0x1438E500)
    PC=0x00000000; MSR=0x40009030; DAR=0xE009D000; DSISR=0x40000000; LR=0x00000000; R1=0x077A3CB0; XCP=0x00000010 (0x400 - Inst access)
    Backtrace:
    0x00290000 0x00277C88 0x0007B764 0x00021650 0x0001BCD0 0x0001C0D8 0x00093D58 0x00000000
    Exception state (sv=0x14AFA280)
    PC=0x900075C8; MSR=0x0000D030; DAR=0xE009D000; DSISR=0x42000000; LR=0x90007118; R1=0xBFFFDF10; XCP=0x00000030 (0xC00 - System call)

    Kernel version:
    Darwin Kernel Version 7.0.0:
    Wed Sep 24 15:48:39 PDT 2003; root:xnu/xnu-517.obj~1/RELEASE_PPC


    *********

    Fri Nov 14 23:19:25 2003




    Unresolved kernel trap(cpu 0): 0x300 - Data access DAR=0x00000000143F39E0 PC=0x00000000143E7DBC
    Latest crash info for cpu 0:
    Exception state (sv=0x17F87000)
    PC=0x143E7DBC; MSR=0x00009030; DAR=0x143F39E0; DSISR=0x40000000; LR=0x143E7DA8; R1=0x0777BAF0; XCP=0x0000000C (0x300 - Data access)
    Backtrace:
    0x143E7DA8 0x143E7724 0x143E6EAC 0x0024DE04 0x0024DBDC 0x0024E658 0x0024ECCC 0x0023EE84
    0x0023EE48
    Kernel loadable modules in backtrace (with dependencies):
    com.apple.iokit.IOFireWireSBP2(1.5.1)@0x143dc000
    dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOFireWireFamily(1.7.0)@0x45b000
    Proceeding back via exception chain:
    Exception state (sv=0x17F87000)
    previously dumped as "Latest" state. skipping...
    Exception state (sv=0x17F87780)
    PC=0x00000000; MSR=0x0000D030; DAR=0x00000000; DSISR=0x00000000; LR=0x00000000; R1=0x00000000; XCP=0x00000000 (Unknown)

    Kernel version:
    Darwin Kernel Version 7.0.0:
    Wed Sep 24 15:48:39 PDT 2003; root:xnu/xnu-517.obj~1/RELEASE_PPC


    panic(cpu 0): 0x300 - Data access
    Latest stack backtrace for cpu 0:
    Backtrace:
    0x000833B8 0x0008389C 0x0001ED8C 0x00090800 0x00093A6C
    Proceeding back via exception chain:
    Exception state (sv=0x17F87000)
    PC=0x143E7DBC; MSR=0x00009030; DAR=0x143F39E0; DSISR=0x40000000; LR=0x143E7DA8; R1=0x0777BAF0; XCP=0x0000000C (0x300 - Data access)
    Backtrace:
    0x143E7DA8 0x143E7724 0x143E6EAC 0x0024DE04 0x0024DBDC 0x0024E658 0x0024ECCC 0x0023EE84
    0x0023EE48
    Kernel loadable modules in backtrace (with dependencies):
    com.apple.iokit.IOFireWireSBP2(1.5.1)@0x143dc000
    dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOFireWireFamily(1.7.0)@0x45b000
    Exception state (sv=0x17F87780)
    PC=0x00000000; MSR=0x0000D030; DAR=0x00000000; DSISR=0x00000000; LR=0x00000000; R1=0x00000000; XCP=0x00000000 (Unknown)

    Kernel version:
    Darwin Kernel Version 7.0.0:
    Wed Sep 24 15:48:39 PDT 2003; root:xnu/xnu-517.obj~1/RELEASE_PPC


    *********

    Fri Nov 14 23:20:39 2003




    Unresolved kernel trap(cpu 0): 0x300 - Data access DAR=0x0000000045F54E80 PC=0x000000002034C00C
    Latest crash info for cpu 0:
    Exception state (sv=0x1417D500)
    PC=0x2034C00C; MSR=0x00009030; DAR=0x45F54E80; DSISR=0x42000000; LR=0x20351DF4; R1=0x07523BD0; XCP=0x0000000C (0x300 - Data access)
    Backtrace:
    0x20351DE8 0x20351CEC 0x2035365C 0x0007FE28 0x00080094 0x0003CF6C 0x00021650 0x0001BCD0
    0x0001C0D8 0x00093D58 0x00000000
    Kernel loadable modules in backtrace (with dependencies):
    com.apple.nke.ppp(1.3)@0x2034b000
    Proceeding back via exception chain:
    Exception state (sv=0x1417D500)
    previously dumped as "Latest" state. skipping...
    Exception state (sv=0x20159C80)
    PC=0x900075C8; MSR=0x0000F030; DAR=0x20354DD8; DSISR=0x40000000; LR=0x90007118; R1=0xBFFFF570; XCP=0x00000030 (0xC00 - System call)

    Kernel version:
    Darwin Kernel Version 7.0.0:
    Wed Sep 24 15:48:39 PDT 2003; root:xnu/xnu-517.obj~1/RELEASE_PPC


    panic(cpu 0): 0x300 - Data access
    Latest stack backtrace for cpu 0:
    Backtrace:
    0x000833B8 0x0008389C 0x0001ED8C 0x00090800 0x00093A6C
    Proceeding back via exception chain:
    Exception state (sv=0x1417D500)
    PC=0x2034C00C; MSR=0x00009030; DAR=0x45F54E80; DSISR=0x42000000; LR=0x20351DF4; R1=0x07523BD0; XCP=0x0000000C (0x300 - Data access)
    Backtrace:
    0x20351DE8 0x20351CEC 0x2035365C 0x0007FE28 0x00080094 0x0003CF6C 0x00021650 0x0001BCD0
    0x0001C0D8 0x00093D58 0x00000000
    Kernel loadable modules in backtrace (with dependencies):
    com.apple.nke.ppp(1.3)@0x2034b000
    Exception state (sv=0x20159C80)
    PC=0x900075C8; MSR=0x0000F030; DAR=0x20354DD8; DSISR=0x40000000; LR=0x90007118; R1=0xBFFFF570; XCP=0x00000030 (0xC00 - System call)

    Kernel version:
    Darwin Kernel Version 7.0.0:
    Wed Sep 24 15:48:39 PDT 2003; root:xnu/xnu-517.obj~1/RELEASE_PPC



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    How do I fix this kernal panic?
    2nd how do I get os x to boot into the gui again?

    PLEASE help with whatever info you have?
    Also Panther didn't stop booting into the gui until i ran the program on apples website called: Mac Sweeper 1.5
     
  2. Doctor Q Administrator

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    I'm sorry to hear about your problems, Matt1984. Nobody wants a boot-time kernel panic.

    Can you boot off the Panther installation CD-ROM? (You would do this by inserting the 1st Panther CD-ROM and holding down letter C while restarting the Mac.) This should get you GUI access to your hard disk again.

    Your first concern should be the safety of your data, i.e., documents you've created, iPhoto and iTunes libraries, or whatever files you could not easily get back if the contents of your disk is lost. I'm not saying that this happened, but it would be wise to be prepared for the worst case by backing up the critical files before you work on the Panther problem. Can you copy files to another computer, e-mail them to someone, or burn a CD or DVD before you do anything else on this system?

    Once you have booted off the Panther CD, you can try Disk Utility. Maybe it can fix the problem if you do Repair Disk and Repair Disk Permissions.

    If this doesn't solve the problem, post again and tell us what hardware model you have, and which method you used to install Panther. The last resort is to reformat the hard drive and reinstall Panther, but there are less severe solutions you can try before it comes to that.
     
  3. Matt1984 thread starter macrumors newbie

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    I havent tryed to startup from the Panther cd. ill go and try that right now. I have allready ran Norton Systemworks 3.0 on my os x volume fixed everything and what not. i dont know how to fix the kernal panic. I am on a Power Mac G3 300mhz b&w. 256 mb of ram.
     
  4. Matt1984 thread starter macrumors newbie

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    tryed starting up from os panther cd i did that sucessfully but i wasnt able to startup into gui on hard drive still :(
     
  5. Doctor Q Administrator

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    Can you run Disk Utility while booted off the Panther CD-ROM?
     
  6. Matt1984 thread starter macrumors newbie

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    yes, i can, and allready did it didn't fix either of the problems
     
  7. Doctor Q Administrator

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    Two other safe and occasionally effective procedures are:

    1. Reset parameter RAM: Boot while holding Command-Option-P-R, holding them down until you hear an extra boot chime.

    2. Reset firmware: Boot while holding Command-Option-O-F. You'll get an open firmware prompt. Then type this:

    reset-all

    and the Mac will reset the firmware and try to boot again.
     
  8. peterj1967 macrumors regular

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    That's a pain...

    If you can boot fine from the CD I would guess that somehow, your install got corrupted, and it isn't a hardware issue. You can run the hardware diagnostics app to double check.

    I'd say a reformat and a clean install are in order.

    When I received my DP 1.25 it had a crap OS install and needed a reformat and re-install right out of the box.

    Hopefully you have good data backups.
     
  9. joeyjojoe macrumors regular

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    couldn't he just try installing panther over his current corrupted version? it would only take about 30 minutes and then he wouldn't have to deal with transferring the data elsewhere and back again.

    i think its worth a shot just to install over. if a kernel linked file is corrupt, it will be written over anyway. if it doesn't work, you've lost 30 minutes of your life.
     
  10. Awimoway macrumors 65816

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    If saving your data is important, I wold recommend going back to whatver OS you were using before Panther when you install over the current installation. Save your data, and then attempt a clean installation of Panther if you still want to upgrade.

    And if installing over his current installation doesn't work, is there any way he can save his data by accessing the hard drive with another computer?

    If not, he'll probably have to do a clean install of the OS. The best way to do this would be to install JUST the OS and when it gives you options to install other things, decline all of them. That way, you permanently erase as little as possible. The bare OS itself is probably about 3 GB or less. Then you can use one of the third party products available to recover whatever data is left on the drive, even though the OS can't see it.
     
  11. Matt1984 thread starter macrumors newbie

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    Fixed with some effort

    I fixed Panther and its running GREAT! Here what I did in 3 words, I erased everything. When the installer asked me what type of installation I wanted I told it to earse the drive and install os x. I have all my settings back the way they were and have allready upgraded to 10.3.1. BTW I think my problem was when I upgraded from 10.2.8, I royally screwed that system up by trying to get my firewire drive to mount and the other. So basically I upgraded a carp system folder and it was only time before the system crashed. I have to learn this new system its more complex than OS 9. Anybody give me any house keeping tips? Like clearing logs and stuff? What are those commands you can do in the terminal for house keeping? One more question can you take out extension in os x like you can in os 9, I see theres an extensions folder in the system folder? Sory for the long post. Oh one more thing. where is there a site where i can learn about darwin more?
     
  12. Doctor Q Administrator

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    Re: Fixed with some effort

    As superuser, type the commands /etc/daily and/or /etc/weekly and/or /etc/monthly to run the cleanup scripts. They run automatically if your computer is on all the time, but you can run any of them at any time. Even if it is ok to do so, why would you want to remove extensions? For Darwin, try http://developer.apple.com/darwin/.
     
  13. dabirdwell macrumors 6502

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    Panther has killed my MDD 867 also. I recently added a 200 GB hard disk and a stick of RAM. Both have been working fine for a little while with Panther (the HD has been working fine as my main boot disk for a month or more, the RAM for a week or so).

    But all of a sudden I am having kernel panics and am not able to use iPhoto and some other apps. Tried to reinstall from CD and wipe hard drive and this took *forever* to get an install session to not fail. Now Panther runs, but Safari etc. crashes randomly and the system is very unstable.

    Could the new HD be the problem, the Disk Util on the CD says it's OK but the one in Applications/Utilities locks up when I try to repair permissions? System profiler says it recognizes the new RAM. I don't know, but there's a ton of work done on that machine, and I need it to work. Should I consider Jaguar again?
     
  14. whooleytoo macrumors 603

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    #14
    If I were you, I'd remove the RAM, and see how the system works. If it's still crashing, I'd remove the new hard drive too(assuming you still have another drive in there) and see how that goes.

    New hardware - and RAM in particular - can be the cause of a lot of system instability. If removing these doesn't fix your problem, and you can't do a clean reinstall from the CD, you may well be better off going back to Jaguar.

    Mike.
     
  15. Matt1984 thread starter macrumors newbie

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    Firewire drive not mounting

    Anybody know how to make a firewire drive mount correctly and the system be stable? I have a que m3 100gb. When the hard drive is on the hole system(Panther) is sluggish and not responsive. When I turn the hard drive off and restart the system is not sluggish and very responsive(enough for me to upgrade from os 9 entirely). Whats going on? Is there a fix for this?
     
  16. Doctor Q Administrator

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    I'm sorry to hear you are still having trouble with this system. I suspect that your two problems are inter-related. Your reinstall fixed the kernel panic problem, so this problem seems more likely to be something about the drive, as opposed to Mac OS X. Can you prove it by attaching the firewire drive to any other Mac to see if the problem happens there too?
     
  17. Matt1984 thread starter macrumors newbie

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    I think its the drive Ill run Systemworks on it and see if that fixes it. One more question. Where can I find a good site on Darwin and all the commands I can do in the terminal. I would like to clear the caches within the terminal. Plus Id like to learn Darwin. I think its nessary to be able to fix OS X when having problems....
     
  18. Doctor Q Administrator

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    I gave you a Darwin link above. For terminal commands, start with this thread and this thread.
     

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