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superbovine

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http://www.securityfocus.com/news/11359/1



When the SANS Institute, a computer-security training organization, released its Top-20 vulnerabilities last week, the rankings continued an annual ritual aimed at highlighting the worst flaws for network administrators. This year, the list had something different, however: The group flagged the collective vulnerabilities in Apple Computer's Mac OS X operating system as a major threat.



“ There are some people that feel that, if they are running Mac OS X, then all is well. That is no longer true. ”

Rohit Dhamankar, security architect for 3Com's TippingPoint and editor of the SANS Top-20 vulnerability list
It's the first time that the SANS Institute called out an entire operating system for its vulnerabilities. While the move has raised questions about the value of such a general warning, highlighting recent vulnerabilities in Mac OS X was intended as a wake up call, said Rohit Dhamankar, security architect for TippingPoint, a subsidiary of networking firm 3Com, and the editor for the SANS Top-20 vulnerability list.

"We are not pointing at the entire Mac OS X and saying you have to worry about the entire operating system," he said. "It is just that the Mac OS X is not entirely free of troubles."

The naming of Apple's Mac OS X to the list is the latest warning from security experts to users that Apple's operating system is not immune to threats. In its last two bi-annual reports, security firm Symantec has warned Apple users that the perceived security strengths of Mac OS X will not withstand determined attackers, especially with mounting vulnerabilities and at least one known rootkit tailored to the system. (Symantec is the owner of SecurityFocus.)

Such warnings, however, have to contend with the Mac OS X's impressive lack of major security incidents. While users of Microsoft Windows have to worry about the latest viruses, Trojan horse programs, spyware and phishing attacks, users of Apple's systems have significantly fewer threats about which to be concerned.

Still, if would-be attackers begin to focus on the operating system, then it's likely that major security incidents will not be far behind, said Nicholas Raba, CEO of Mac OS X security information and software site SecureMac.com.

"Mac OS X is currently more secure than Linux or Windows only for the fact that the shares of users is smaller thus the (number of) researchers discovering the flaws is smaller," Raba said.

Others point out that the vulnerability landscape is already shifting.

The number of vulnerabilities patched by Apple in the Mac OS X rivals the number fixed by Microsoft in its operating systems, according to data from the Open Source Vulnerability Database. So far in 2005, Microsoft has released patches for 89 vulnerabilities, while Apple has released patches for 81 vulnerabilities, according to Brian Martin, content editor for the OSVDB. Counting flaws offers little more than a rough approximation of the threat to a particular operating system, Martin said, but it does show that Apple has gained the attention of the security community.

"A lot of the people who do vulnerability research started with Unix, and a lot of hackers have moved to Apple Mac OS X because it is cool and they can do anything they could do on Unix," he said.

Apple adopted its variant of the Unix operating system, the Berkeley Software Distribution or BSD, as the basis for its revamped Mac OS, which it first released in March 2001. Since then the number of flaws discovered that affect the operating system has steadily increased, to 46 in 2004 from 5 in 2001, according to the OSVDB.

However, Mac OS X does not have the same security problems that Windows does, Martin said. In many ways, Apple's operating system gains the advantages of Unix, but because Unix has not historically been a desktop operating system, many of the mistakes made by Microsoft--such as Active X controls' poor security model and unsecured services--are not present, he said. Instead, Apple users primarily need to worry about malicious Web sites that attack through the Safari browser and media files that exploit vulnerabilities in the operating system's applications.

The SANS Top-20, for example, called out five different parts of the Windows operating system, including Internet Explorer, the broad Windows services category, and Windows configuration weaknesses.

Poor configuration of Mac OS X computers is also a worry, according to some network administrators.

"The problem is that there are enough OS X boxes on networks that are not patched, firewalled, and configured that they pose a clear and present danger to the networks they reside on," said one university information-technology specialist posting to the Full Disclosure security mailing list.

Security researchers also worry about Apple's hesitation to speak publicly about its operating system's security. Apple has infrequently commented on the topic of its operating system security or the company's security policies. Apple also declined to comment for this article.

Yet, including the entire operating system as a to-do item on a list of top-20 vulnerabilities is not entirely fair, OSVDB's Martin said.

"In 2005, they have about the same number of vulnerabilities in the operating system as Windows, but Microsoft has a much greater market share," Martin said. "The Mac OS doesn't deserve a spot any more than any other operating system."

SANS's Dhamankar stressed that the intent was not to call the Mac OS X operating system a threat, but to give Mac users a wake up call. If they have not been paying attention to security, then they should start today, he said.

"There are some people that feel that, if they are running Mac OS X, then all is well," Dhamankar said. "That is no longer true."
 

mj_1903

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It is just that the Mac OS X is not entirely free of troubles.

Oh really? Who would have thought that.... :rolleyes:

Symantec is the owner of SecurityFocus.

Ah, the real reason the article was written and why Mac OS X actually got "rated". Seems sales are still poor!

In all seriousness there are issues but Apple seems to be on the ball currently. If worst comes to worst, I know quite a few shareware developers who will get cracking on security software to assist Apple. We don't really have much to worry about right now.
 

yellow

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Meh.

They link MacScan from SecureMac.

11/20/2005 MacScan 2.0b4 has been released, this beta has been tested on 10.2.4+. All bug reports should be reported on the support forum.
Audit your Macintosh for Spyware!
MacScan Announcement Press Release

Mac spyware. :rolleyes: I'm SO over SANS.


Symantec.. whatever. The only reason they are still in business is because of n00b-word-of-mouth.
 

jdechko

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"The problem is that there are enough OS X boxes on networks that are not patched, firewalled, and configured that they pose a clear and present danger to the networks they reside on," said one university information-technology specialist posting to the Full Disclosure security mailing list.

So lets see... put on Mac Firewall and download security updates when they're released. Don't install any stupid software.

Sounds pretty simple to me.
 

greatdevourer

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one known rootkit tailored to the system
I know the team who made that Rootkit (UGMPT), and we all agree that it sucks. It requests your password every time you login, after you login, which is more than kinda suspicious.

"Mac OS X is currently more secure than Linux or Windows only for the fact that the shares of users is smaller thus the (number of) researchers discovering the flaws is smaller," Raba said.
'Tard :rolleyes:

Instead, Apple users primarily need to worry about malicious Web sites that attack through the Safari browser and media files that exploit vulnerabilities in the operating system's applications.
What Safari exploit? Oh, the one from May last year that was patched within a week? Yeah, like that affects anyone...

This was released by Symantec, and how many people give a rat's ass about Symantec any more?
 

robbieduncan

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No OS is perfect. At the moment there have been no exploited holes in the OSX security model or implementation but given enough time the day will come. We are pretty safe, certainly safer than Windows users, but being smug will only make it worse when the inevitable day arrives.

We should all take care and only run code for sources we trust. A user-run or installed trojan is probably the biggest risk for OSX users right now.
 

Abstract

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robbieduncan said:
.....At the moment there have been no exploited holes in the OSX security model or implementation but given enough time the day will come.

Agreed.

No "exploited" holes doesn't mean the same vulnerabilities aren't there. And it's true about the number of security fixes Apple has released. The number of patches is definitely increasing and coming in more frequently. People dog Microsoft for that very reason around here, but I don't see why when Apple releases the same sort of thing, and often as frequently.
 

iMeowbot

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jdechko said:
So lets see... put on Mac Firewall and download security updates when they're released. Don't install any stupid software.

Sounds pretty simple to me.
It's becoming pretty clear that Mac users are pretty vulnerable to the installing stupid software risk. How many people booted the "OS X" images that were in circulation a few months ago, only to get ******'d? How many people downloaded and ran the leaked Google Earth without waiting to see if others ran it without incident? Really, people seem to be more suspicious of the security updates that come straight from Apple! It's pwnage waiting to happen.
 

robbieduncan

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Abstract said:
Agreed.

No "exploited" holes doesn't mean the same vulnerabilities aren't there. And it's true about the number of security fixes Apple has released. The number of patches is definitely increasing and coming in more frequently. People dog Microsoft for that very reason around here, but I don't see why when Apple releases the same sort of thing, and often as frequently.

I think that at least part of the difference is timelyness. Apple are able to get patches out before the problems get exploited. MS often seem to wait till the problem is exploited. There have been recent issues where MS has been informed of the problem and not released the patch for over 6 months! I'd rather see frequent patches as that means holes are being fixed.
 

Apple Hobo

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iMeowbot said:
It's becoming pretty clear that Mac users are pretty vulnerable to the installing stupid software risk. How many people booted the "OS X" images that were in circulation a few months ago, only to get ******'d?

If you **** around with dodgy p2p warez and the like, you run the risk of trashing your machine, which is no surprise.
 

iMeowbot

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Apple Hobo said:
If you **** around with dodgy p2p warez and the like, you run the risk of trashing your machine, which is no surprise.
That would be the logical way to behave, but too often I see "but I'm using OS X and don't have to worry about that." :(
 

bousozoku

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Apple Hobo said:
If you **** around with dodgy p2p warez and the like, you run the risk of trashing your machine, which is no surprise.

Especially, when a fair number of users get Mac OS X from warez sites. Do they not suspect that it's been altered? Are hackers dumb enough to use hacked software?

I think that Secunia has finally gotten it together and reports that there are truly very few unpatched security problems and no critical security flaws. It's good to hear that the ActiveX hole in the firewall is getting attention from security companies. Unfortunately, it's not getting any attention from Microsoft really. It's a design issue that won't be resolved.

Getting users to install everything is another matter. How many users whine when they have to re-boot? "awww man, this is destroying my uptime!" so they don't re-boot to install critical fixes.

The day keeps coming and it's certainly possible that we'll all pay but it won't be paid to Symantec.
 

Dalriada

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jdechko said:
So lets see... put on Mac Firewall and download security updates when they're released. Don't install any stupid software. Sounds pretty simple to me.

Fully agree - but being rather new in the world of DSL, is the Mac OS X built in Firewall secure enough (together with Little Snitch ) or should one consider a more complete Firewall such as Brickhouse

Thanks for any views :)

- Dal
 

bousozoku

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Dalriada said:
Fully agree - but being rather new in the world of DSL, is the Mac OS X built in Firewall secure enough (together with Little Snitch ) or should one consider a more complete Firewall such as Brickhouse

Thanks for any views :)

- Dal

I used to use Intego's NetBarrier, which was a firewall and more. It alerted me to several ping attacks that I would not have known otherwise and allowed me to shut them out.

The only trouble was that the software was always late to be updated. They would wait until the version would actually go into production before they would work on their software, apparently. Besides that, the software was rather processor intensive since it was always checking for problems. Maybe it's more efficient now.

I'm not sure about a firewall from one person. I'd be leery of accepting any product from a single person I didn't know. There is too much of a chance that the software itself will give the appearance of protection while transmitting personal information from all over the machine.
 

yellow

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Dalriada said:
Fully agree - but being rather new in the world of DSL, is the Mac OS X built in Firewall secure enough (together with Little Snitch ) or should one consider a more complete Firewall such as Brickhouse

Thanks for any views :)

- Dal

Umm.. Brickhouse is not a "more complete Firewall", it's simply a GUIfied front-end for ipfw, the built-in OS X firewall. Nothing more, nothing less. Perhaps you meant a more complete control for the OS X firewall? Of coruse, all that can be accomplished via the CLI..
 
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