Resolved Macbook Pro 2015 with OSX El Capitan 10.11.4 system wide freeze (Read the details)

Discussion in 'OS X El Capitan (10.11)' started by Antonnn, Mar 25, 2016.

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What type of Macbook are you using?

Poll closed May 18, 2016.
  1. Macbook Pro 13'' Retina Early 2015

    50.7%
  2. Macbook Pro 15'' Retina Mid 2015

    12.1%
  3. Other Macbook Pro

    20.6%
  4. Other Macbook Air

    8.8%
  5. Other Mac

    11.1%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. throAU macrumors 68040

    throAU

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    #426
    Point being: if the apple supplied components (Hardware, OS X version and thus video driver are the same) then maybe its not an OS X bug (or rather, maybe it's not being triggered by something in OS X - but an OS X bug triggered by something else). Maybe it's some third party software. Or maybe it depends on behaviour i am not doing (like external display/clamshell mode). Or maybe its a bad batch of hardware...

    Just trying to help rule things out... Mine shipped with 10.10 and i purchased just before 10.11 was released.
     
  2. Joobs333 macrumors newbie

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    #427
    Yes these are good process of elimination ideas!
     
  3. max pl macrumors regular

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    #428
    I have the issue on a late 2013 RMBP. i think it only happens after i close youtube tabs. have experienced it with both flash enabled and completely uninstalled on a freshly formatted computer.

    have not tested whether its browser specific. i will try to only play youtube on chrome from now on and see if the problem persists.
     
  4. dmnc macrumors regular

    dmnc

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    #429
    As others said, this is not a problem easy to replicate. I had crashes very close together and then nothing for a week. I'm 99.9% certain that this is a software issue because a) it never happened before, and b) it never happened again after I downgraded to 10.11.3.

    Edit: better than check with year your Mac is or what OS came installed, is to check what CPU is included. The problem seems to be very common on Broadwell architecture CPUs.
     
  5. PieTunes macrumors regular

    PieTunes

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    #430
    I too wish it was easy to replicate the problem so I could bring it in to the Apple Store and show them exactly what's going on. Other than noticing it never happens in clamshell mode with an external display, there's no rhyme or reason with when it'll happen.

    I've used my machine without a display for the better part of a couple days and it doesn't happen at all. Then on the third day it locks up. I reboot. An hour later, lock up again. Frustrated, I reboot and go to bed. Next morning, no issues all day. Next morning, a lockup. Put it in clamshell mode for almost a week, not one lockup.

    Could there also be any correlation with the laptop freezing on battery vs ac power as well?
     
  6. reyi macrumors newbie

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    #431
    No, there is no correlation to using AC or battery power, at least o haven't noticed it. It is completely random, probably bug in some code specific to broadwell architecture Intel CPU's. Maybe some kind of deadlock, but this is not our problem, apple devs should find it and repair it asap but, before two days i reset completely smc and nvram on my MBPr 13" early 2015, for these two days i was watching A LOT of videos in safari and also opening many video links, using photo app and quick time (the most frequent triggers of freeze) and no freeze so far.
     
  7. Antonnn, May 7, 2016
    Last edited: May 7, 2016

    Antonnn thread starter macrumors member

    Antonnn

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    #432
    While the problem seems to be software based (you can downgrade to 10.11.3 with no freeze) I agree that it has to be somewhat hardware based as well hence not every single macbook freezes but just ours.

    There's no correlation between external monitor, clamshell mode, power adapter or on battery or VRAM or SMC reset, I've tried all of those and I never use external displays or anything attached to it. I have a Macbook Air 2015 in the household and that one never experienced a freeze so I'm not using it "wrong".
     
  8. max pl macrumors regular

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    #433
    Ive got a Late 13 RMPB and it freezes. It is not hardware based.
     
  9. Dio331 macrumors newbie

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    #434
    I've been using Opera for the last 2 weeks and had no freeze since switching.
     
  10. JesperA macrumors 6502

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    #435
    I´ve gotten so used to my iMac freezing several times per day, so used to it in fact that it feels really odd now when my late iMac 2009 have not frozen after 4 days continuous use on 10.11.5 PB4

    I will throw in PB4 on my mid 2015 rMBP and see if it works on it too, would be nice to start using it again, have barely touched it since Februari thanks to 10.11.4 :mad::mad:
     
  11. macmac0119 macrumors newbie

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    #436
    Since my update to 10.11.5 Beta (15F31a, I have not had any freezes/crashes or mouse lags (my mouse was freezing for 1/2 to 1 sec here and there)
     
  12. reyi macrumors newbie

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    #437
    How often did you have freezes before update to latest beta?
     
  13. macmac0119 macrumors newbie

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    Mouse pointer would get stuck/freeze for a 1/2 sec maybe every 10-20 minutes. It was often. Entire system freeze/lockup would happen maybe once a day or once every 2 days. So far I've had this new beta for 2-3 days and there has been no freezes/crashes or mouse lags/stuck/freezes.
     
  14. Antonnn, May 8, 2016
    Last edited: May 8, 2016

    Antonnn thread starter macrumors member

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    #439
    I'll chime in and say that I've been freeze free for the past almost 6 days now on 10.11.5 beta 4 (15F31a). I usually get a freeze once a week but I've been using exclusively Safari for the past week with 12 hours a day on average and no freeze.

    I'll check and see the other threads and see if this is actually moving somewhere or it's just a coincidence. So far one person on this thread reported freezing under the new beta 4 with a rmbp 13 2015 that specified he is on the latest beta, there's another person on apple forums "broozar", he is using an iMac retina 2015.
    I wonder if apple started quietly working on this.
     
  15. PieTunes macrumors regular

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    #440
    Good to know that it may appear our freezing issue might be resolved with 10.11.5. I've never installed a beta OS before, I'll just patiently wait for final release. I at least feel better knowing that the issue looks like it's being worked on.
    --- Post Merged, May 8, 2016 ---
    Just curious, is it a wireless mouse you are using? If so is it a Bluetooth mouse, part of a keybaord/mouse combo that uses a little USB receiver?
     
  16. Antonnn thread starter macrumors member

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  17. Dr. James macrumors member

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    #442
    Please keep us informed. At least there's hope...
     
  18. macmac0119 macrumors newbie

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    #443
    Just using the trackpad on my MacBook Pro.
     
  19. streetfoldsfive macrumors 6502

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    #444
    Well I just started having this problem today. Twice in under 24 hours. Scared me half to death. Hope they fix it soon.
     
  20. macmac0119 macrumors newbie

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    #445
    Such a relieving feeling to know that it's happening to all of us, ain't it? I was super relieved to see that this was a bug and not a hardware issue.
     
  21. batting1000 macrumors 604

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  22. vmachiel macrumors 65816

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    #447
    what system do you have? Do you play a lot of HTML5 video?
     
  23. mantelvaviz macrumors newbie

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    #448
    Update: at the moment I have a 12 days uptime record just following the previously described guidelines. I know it can be just luck or something about my specific software configuration, but for now I have not experienced any more freeze (MBPr 13" 2015)
     
  24. mb3152 macrumors member

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    #449
    I took my iMac in to the Genius Bar and they told me it was a logic board problem, even though it only occurred once I upgraded 10.11.4. It was crashing almost every 30 minutes. New logic board, and the freezing is not occurring, yet. So, is the issue totally hardware independent? Hard to say.
     
  25. edmundostudios macrumors newbie

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    #450
    Was it crashing on earlier versions of OSX as well?
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    Just an update. I have been using just chrome for over a week now and no crashes. This is the longest I have got, with Safari it crashes every day or so.
     

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