macs and politics

Discussion in 'General Mac Discussion' started by jefhatfield, Apr 9, 2002.

  1. jefhatfield Retired

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    around where i live, the political landscape is 50/50 conservative/liberal...california is the land of diane feinstein and barbara boxer who are both democrats but is also the land of ronald reagan and richard nixon, the former governor and senator of the state, respectively

    but among the mac users i have met, they are left of center almost all of the time

    i am also left of center having voted for al gore but my immaculate tan volvo station wagon and short hair and clean shaven face do make me look like someone who should have sat on nixon's cabinet;)

    when i go to santa cruz or berkeley, i always get dirty looks...sorry, i don't have a vw van and a tied dyed t-shirt
     
  2. eyelikeart Moderator emeritus

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    I'm somewhere on that fine line in between...not very conservative....not competely liberal....

    when it came time for me to vote for president I took a test to see where my views stood...and I just tipped over to the Republican side...so I voted for Bush....thank god I did....can u imagine what we'd be going through right now in the Mid-East if Gore were in charge?! :rolleyes:
     
  3. Mr. Anderson Moderator emeritus

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    Actually, politics discusts me sometimes. A fair number of the people who get in power are there because thats what they want, power. They're more often than not selfserving or worried about interests based on personal reasons. If you look at all the mud slinging and controversy that surrounds pretty much every election these days - from local townships to the president, its getting a little out of hand. Don't get me started about the Gush and Bore campaigns...

    But if pressed to answer I'd have to say I'm liberal with conservative tendencies.

    There's a quote, and I don't know who said it, but it went something like this

    'The man who wants to be king, shouldn't and the man who doesn't want to be king, should'

    Don't get me wrong, not everyone falls into this catagory, its more like a few bad seeds ruin the whole thing.
     
  4. krossfyter macrumors 601

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    yet another cool arse thread by jethatfield....saweet!


    i side with eyelikeart here ...as far as my political views and who i voted for and why.

    sorta in the middle, more on the right. i believe both sides have good points to them and both have faults. im against the death penalty but im conservative on morals. i guess im a pragmatic idealist but i welcome change.
     
  5. Mr. Anderson Moderator emeritus

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    Yeah, I just noticed the 'macs and politics', 'macs and fashion'
    great idea

    Some others

    'macs and food'
    'macs and music'
    'macs and art'

    but its all working up for the uber thread

    'macs and jefhatfield'

    :D
     
  6. macstudent macrumors 6502

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    I guess I am fairly liberal, but I am not far left. I tend to be near the middle of some issues as well. I just have always been a very open person and I like to listen to both sides of the story before I make a decision. I never vote all for one party since both have idiots.
     
  7. LethalWolfe macrumors G3

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    I think I'm pretty middle of the road, but I call myself Republican 'cause I don't believe in big government. But usually I'm on a case-by-case basis. Some things things I kick a bit to the left on, some things I kick a bit to the right on. So I figure after it's all said and done I "center" myself out by the end of the day. :)

    Personally, I'd love to see Jessi Ventura run for Pres. :D

    Lethal
     
  8. Dunepilot macrumors 6502a

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    Macs and sexuality?

    How about Macs and sexuality.

    I'm a student, and obviously most people I know are fairly left-wing, but then I started to think about the people I know in my college who use Macs.

    I then thought about the two friends of mine who both use iMacs, and whilst being left-wing, they're both gay also.

    I'm straight, and centre-right and a Mac user, but it strange how the types attracted to Macintosh are often slightly unusual within society

    Just an observation for you to chew on...
     
  9. mcrain macrumors 68000

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    I'm a Christian, Militant-Hindu, Liberal with a highly conservative tax stance that most conservatives would think was crazy liberal. I'm just weird I guess.
     
  10. krossfyter macrumors 601

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    hey no fair!!!!! ....you cant be christian and hindu at the same time!:D
     
  11. cleo macrumors 65816

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    It's not easy to say this, but...

    My name is Cleo, I live in Florida, and I voted Nader. :D

    Green and damned proud of it!
     
  12. Rower_CPU Moderator emeritus

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    Left of center here...

    I was raised liberal, believe liberal...but, godammit, I hate taxes!

    I hope we survive the next couple year's of Bush v.2 and get someone who knows what the heck they're doing...:rolleyes:
     
  13. teabgs macrumors 68030

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    Amen to that!

    Im independant...cause I dont like to take sides. Though I dislike republicans. I'm more of a conservative anarchist/socialist. Hmm...I think its about time for a Mac World Revolution!
     
  14. me hate windows macrumors 6502

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    I'm a Unhappy/renegade/govt has to be reconstructed type of person. I can't stand governments and all of their anti-gun ****. We have rights to carry guns, and other weapons. If nobody in the U.S. had a gun or some other weapon we would be dead. Reasons:

    1. There will always be criminals with guns, and you can't stop that. The criminals would break in and kill us and we wouldn't be able to stop it, unless we threw a chair at them.
    2. We would all technically be slaves to the govt., they could order us around, and we couldn't do anything. the only people with guns would be our Police(which half of are brain-dead slob holes) and the military.
    3. yadayadayada........ you get the point.

    Don't flame me, or say that I am a dumbnut. I am just expressing my opinion.
     
  15. 3rdpath macrumors 68000

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    hate to break it to you

    we're already slaves to the government.

    most of us spend the first 100-120 days of the year working for the govt-its called taxes. most of that money is squandered on pork-barrel do nothing projects. ( can you tell i just got my tax returns from my cpa?) i don't buy into any of the political parties-thats too easy and too myopic. i'll judge their merits individually just like i do with every other person i encounter in this lifetime.

    and don't even get me started on the gun rhetoric. this is not a flame -just a response-i respectfully disagree with you. i'm not against personal gun ownership but can't some sort of IQ/mental stability test be factored into the equation?
     
  16. jermsmingy macrumors regular

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    Far to the right!

    I am as conservative as Rush Limbaugh is, and we both use macs. I hate taxes even though I am getting money back. I claimed myself as a 0 to make sure I didn't owe anything and would probably get something back. I wish the government would let me plan my own retirement and not make me pay into social security since we all know that it is going bankrupt. Oh yeah, as soon as I am 21 I am getting my concealed handgun permit.
     
  17. jefhatfield thread starter Retired

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    torn about the gun issue

    if we had absolutely no guns, what if america became communist like china and decided to take advantage of us in a military police state? not now, but maybe 100 or 200 years from now?

    in texas, or a county in texas, concealed weapons were allowed and ordinary citizens started carrying guns...within weeks, there were 91 bank robberies...but it gets better...91 bank robberies done by adults who had no prior criminal record

    what if you gave 100 compltely sane people in your city a thermonuclear bomb? what if none of those people had violent tendencies? what if all people were also catholic priests? and what if all anyone of these people had to do was press a button and kaboom? would you continue to stay in town?

    there are no simple answers to the gun issue, or weapons in general, but i am lucky we live in a democracy and not a dictatorship or communist state and we have a right to choose to bear arms, have an abortion, be gay, be religious, join a secret society, hate bush or gore, or even own a...mac:D
     
  18. krossfyter macrumors 601

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    the catholic priest is not a moral symbol in our culture anymore.
     
  19. jefhatfield thread starter Retired

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    if a person is a christian, they should follow christ as an example

    when people follow christian leaders like jim jones who was one of the top protestant ministers in the us and once invited to the white house, problems could arise

    what about the pope in ww2 who had ties to hitler?

    and then there is jimmy swaggart, jim bakker, and those two tele-evangelists who said the 9/11 bombing was indirectly our fault, etc...

    and of course, the thing with child molesting prists popping up everywhere

    personally, i like christ as a christian and if i were of another religion, i would follow that original spiritual leader and not an "institution"
     
  20. jefhatfield thread starter Retired

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    Re: Far to the right!

     
  21. krossfyter macrumors 601

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    at the risk of this turning into a religious thread (for those that hate that sorta thing) ......

    exactly jethatfield.....follow Christ not the suppose disciple.
     
  22. krossfyter macrumors 601

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    everyone should pay 20% of thier income to the government...

    yea!! nah!! whadya think?
     
  23. jefhatfield thread starter Retired

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    re: 20 percent

    in a cynical view, we are all too stupid, ignorant, and prone to sin, so the government should take all our money and dole it back out to us in their infinite wisdom

    in a idealistic view, we should not get taxed at all and the good nature within us all will help the poor, build the roads, and we won't need a military, since we are just nice people deep down and there will never be another war again

    of course, the truth lies somewhere in between and as much as i hate taxes, i have not heard of a better solution and in all our imperfect ways, america is the best country on earth
     
  24. jermsmingy macrumors regular

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    taxes!

    hey if you hate taxes read this article.
    http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20020409/ap_to_po/taxes_who_pays_5

    anyways, I think the rate of Federal taxes for the bracket that bill gates is in is 39% no more not more than 2% less though. figured what bill gates made this year. not how much he is worth. Figure what he makes and take 39% of that and you have what he paid in federal taxes, but don't forget that he has state taxes, sales tax, and property taxes.

    I find it interesting how many of you say that you are liberal but hate big government and taxes. I do not know of any liberal that has voted for a tax cut. I know of democrats, but I do not know of any liberal that has supported a tax cut. That does not mean that I could not be wrong.

    Anyway, I want taxes on income to be made unconstitutonal and there be a consumption tax. That way people pay their fair share. If you buy 10 2,00dollar macs you pay more in taxes than the one who buys 1 2,000 dollar mac.

    I don't care what your political view points are as long as we all agree that macs rule!
     
  25. Dunepilot macrumors 6502a

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    I would go as far as to say that nothing is a moral symbol in our culture any more.

    We are in an age of decay, no two ways about it...:(
     

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