Mail and SPAM - How bad is it for you.

Discussion in 'Mac Apps and Mac App Store' started by srobert, Sep 12, 2003.

  1. srobert macrumors 68020

    srobert

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    I used to only receive 2 or 3 SPAM emails a week in my .mac mail account, and even then, Mail could filter them out pretty easily.

    But now, The amount of SPAM I receive as skyrocketted. I now receive about a dozen or so SPAM emails a DAY! More mail than my legitimate non spam emails.

    Mail is only able to filter out about 30% of it, even with the dozens of new rules I programmed in the preferences. (i.e.: If message contains Viagra, move to folder spam trash)

    Even then, my custom rules only work half of the time because malovelent spammers mispell (on purpose) key words so their message won't get filtered out. Ex.: they often spell viagra: V I A G R A and things like that.

    Also, they beginned replacing their text ads by jpeg images. A word filter can't search a jpeg pic for specific words. So I can't filter them all. I don't want to block every mails containing jpeg images because I often receive legitimates one containing such files.

    I Used to report evety SPAM mail I got using little pieces of software and websites but now, due to the increasing volume, it would take me more than an hour to do so each day.

    I used to click on the "remove me from list" link at the bottom of each mail but then I read an article that said that you should absolutly not do this.

    Whats more, I've heard recently on the news from a senator that laws against SPAM were a bad idea and that solutions should come from software. I bet that this old geezer don't even use emails or else he would speak differently.

    Of course, a law against SPAM would only work in the country it has been instigated and would'nt protect you against foreign SPAM but the vast majority of all spam comes from the USA anyway.

    Recent studies have shown than more than 90% of all unrequested emails were deceptive or Fraud. The volume of SPAM email on the net each day is bigger than regular mail.

    I can't even change by .mac mail address. Apple won't allow it. Also, it would be sad to change it 'cause I was one of the early adopters and was able to have my name as my address.

    Anyone care to discuss this issue?
     
  2. Rower_CPU Moderator emeritus

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    Why are you creating custom rules instead of using Mail's built-in Junk mail filters?
     
  3. alset macrumors 65816

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    I also have my name as my .Mac address. I value it about any other email I can get. Increasing spam has made me very angry and I'm beginning to develop unhealthy levels of aggression towards spammers. Rather than leaving myself open to more attacks, I created a new JUNK email address with my cable provider. I now use it for all registrations online. Nobody gets my .Mac address except friends and family. Anyone who includes my .Mac in a chain letter or large joke forwarding I ask not to use that email anymore. They are then given a secondary email that I have for everyone I don't trust not to jeopardize my account.

    I also have an email account through my school that I use only for eBay and PayPal, and I've been thinking about creating another email address with my cable company just to post online at one or two "secure" sites and see if they sell my info. I'm not entirely sure I trust some of the sites where I had formerly registered for accounts with the accounts that now receive spam.

    Dan
     
  4. mangoman macrumors 6502a

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    To thwart that &$%# sobig virus (or whatever the hell else is out there), I'm making custom rules in Mail. It's working, but it's still hard to watch my Trash fill up with over 300 spams a day on the worst days. Other days, nothing...

    Go figure...
     
  5. mangoman macrumors 6502a

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    And isn't it a real pisser that you feel led to be this cautious/paranoid? I'm in the same boat as you, in that I feel it's necessary to divide and (hopefully) conquer now with different email addresses patched out to different audiences. Ridiculous, but...
     
  6. srobert thread starter macrumors 68020

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    The built-in filter does'nt filter everything out. I use it in combination with my custom rules. It's just a double safety... but even then, I keep getting a dozen SPAM mails a day.

    I have 3 addresses and it did'nt seem to have resolved the issue. I only used my .mac address for ventures I thought "safe" enough... well, guess I was'nt selective enough. Or maybe spammers are getting more creatives.
     
  7. alset macrumors 65816

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    They also just test common names. Mine is common enough that I probably show up on a list of popular emails.

    Dan
     
  8. srobert thread starter macrumors 68020

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    By the way, here is a list of the most common spam types I get.

    - Viagra
    - Viagra, not real thing but same and cheaper
    - Mortgage
    - Loan
    - Get out of dept
    - Get a diploma in two weeks
    - Make 5000$ a week at home
    - Diet Pills
    - Enlarge your P***S
    - Young Lolitas daily in your mailbox
    - You've got 3 new mails, click here
    - Free prescriptions (Is this even legal?!)
    - And last one but my all time favorite: Order pathes to make your P***S grow here! LOL, can't believe this one. Wonder what happens when I stick it somhere else, like, on my nose. Do they actually believe people are this stupid?... well... there is a lot of stupid people out there.


    Care to add to the list?

    Hmm... the forum censored one of my words... seems like macforums has better filters than mail cause this word is one I had blocked in my custom rules and I still get SPAM mail with this word in.
     
  9. Chealion macrumors regular

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    I've received a total of 3 spam messages (in the last 4 months I've had this address), the bounce to sender worked each time. And I use this email address to sign up for everything.
     
  10. srobert thread starter macrumors 68020

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    The problem with bounce to sender is that SPAMMERS usually disguise their address. So they might not even receive your bounce. In a worst case scenario, a third party could receive your bounced mail.

    Also, I don't even think that spammers bother updating their email list. Even if you bounce the message, you could still receive spam to your address.

    I also did'nt receive a lot of SPAM for the first few months. But then it escalated exponentially. As if all spammers exchanges their email list at some sort of big jerk convention.
     
  11. MacsRgr8 macrumors 604

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    The problem is that making mail bombs and/or spam emails is too easy.
    For Mac OS X there are apps that even assist you doing it. (I am not going to mention them here, if you don't mind...)
    The app "generates" emails creating its own reply-to address, even create random subjects, and so on. If you're lucky even the "real" SMTP host will be 127.0.0.1, so reading all headers will not help you tracking the sender.

    IMHO, I would like to see SMTP authentication as a "must", a "standard". With the user's account name as the username in the reply-to field. So whatever you fill in your mail.app's pref as your reply-to address, the SMTP authentication overrules that.
    Ofcourse exceptions are possible, but you will be listed.....
    Using an own SMTP server should sound the alarmbells over at your provider. If you want your own mailserver, fine.. but you should register it with your provider (using only MX-records, not just IP addresses as SMTP)
    This way spam should be reduced as you do not send the emails anonymously, and if you do, you should be quite easily traceable, and making the spam filters / rules easier to config.

    Just my € 0.02 :rolleyes:
     
  12. crenz macrumors 6502a

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    Since my e-mail address is quite visible on the internet, I am getting 150+ spam mails per day. However, most of it is filtered by SpamAssassin on the server and I end up handsorting 5-15 messages marked as spam per day that sometimes contain legit messages (some people sending weird support requests sounding like spam). Virtually no spam ends up in my regular mailbox anymore.

    I agree that bouncing spam or viruses is a very bad idea. The senders are forged, and while Sobig.F was active, I got up to 500 bounces per day to my domain (all non-existant addresses). Others are much worse off. For highly-visible domains, I've heard numbers in the tens of thousands per day, and greater.
     
  13. rainman::|:| macrumors 603

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    i get about 10-50 spams a day, Mail handles 98% of them. No custom spam filters, just Junk Mail.

    Methinks you might not have trained the filters right... Mine, after a couple of weeks of clicking "junk on the jpg-only spams (which were the only ones that posed a problem), it filters them now too, but lets through ones that are good.

    pnw
     
  14. crenz macrumors 6502a

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    Forgot something: This is a common misconception. For years, I created special addresses to sign up for stuff, e.g. myname-applenews@mydomain.com. In all these years, it never happened that any of these addresses was resold and used for spam.

    The way spammers get your address these days is via Web and Usenet. Get a test account, put it into your sig in MacRumors and sign a couple friend's guestbooks as well as participate in a few mailing lists (with freely accessible archives) and see what happens. It will only take a short while for the spam to trickle in.

    There are other ways for spammers to get at your address (e.g. dictionary attacks), but these are still less common.
     
  15. mrjamin macrumors 65816

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    to me it seems that the only way to avoid spamming is to buy your own domain - i created 2 pop accounts for my main domain, mail@... and junk@... I use mail@ for nothing but personal/work stuff and junk@ for the web. I don't even check junk@, i just empty it periodically, or when something i've entered my email address for requires me to verify that it is my email address.

    Works for me and certainly cheaper than a @mac.com address!
     
  16. KCK macrumors regular

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    I'm happy to say that I get very few spams in my inbox. The filtering provided by my ISP catches the vast majority of spam. Of course the spamers are getting smarter and working harder to avoid the filtering so in the last few months I have been getting 1-5 spams in the inbox every day. I hear an update to the filtering provided by my ISP is coming and it should catch most of the spams that are getting through the filtering currently.
     
  17. Stelliform macrumors 68000

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    Mine was working good too until my Gramma sent me a on-line birthday card! Why Gramma Why!?!?!?

    Well I am only at one or two a day, but I use a blackberry to run my office when I am on the road. Junk mail slows down my legit mail and costs me serious money. I am about to create a new mail box, just for my clients and my office. Then I will just check the old one on weekends or something....
     
  18. Schiffi macrumors 6502a

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    Hmmm...

    I have a Yahoo.de account and have only had one instance of SPAM that I can remember. I think foriegn email providers may not get the same amount of spam as English ones. Then again I've only used German accounts. Is it the same for other countries?

    P.S. I use my Yahoo.de account to sign up for stuff, even web contests and .Net.
     
  19. Nermal Moderator

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    I've got 2 addresses. I give one of them to my friends, and give the other one to websites and Usenet etc. I get no spam on my "good" address, and 300+ a day on my old one (which I never check anymore).
     

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