Major problems with 10.1

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  1. Foocha macrumors 6502a

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    Anyone else encountered problems with the 10.1 updated CD? At my work we've upgraded 2 G4 Powerbooks from 10.0.4 to 10.1 and both encountered serious disk errors within a week. Typical behaviour includes Classic refusing to quit, the system loggin out when instructed to shut down, Classic suddenly and inexplicably crashing, the Finder freezing, the force quit window displaying the wrong classic apps running and the hard drive becoming so corrupt that no even Norton Utilities 6 in OS 9 can fix it.

    The idea that OSX is rock-solid stable seems like a poor joke - 10.1 is a lot faster than 10.0, but it seems stability has been sacrificed in the upgrade.

    Has anyone else encounted these problems, and does anyone else have any advice?
     
  2. john123 macrumors 68000

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    Some advice that may come too late for you but will be helpful to others:

    Defrag your harddrive prior to installation. OS X relies very heavily on installing itself on a not-too-fragmented drive, and I've learned that fragmentation can create a bundle of problems.

    I defragged my beige G3 and have had absolutely no problems with 10.1
     
  3. Foocha thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    Good advice

    You're right that's good advice, but on at least one of the two machines I mentioned we started by reformatting the hard drive, installing 9.1, upgrading that to 9.2.1, installing 10.0 and upgrading that to 10.1

    The other machine we just installed 10.1 upgrade on top of the existing installation.

    Both machines exibited the same problems after about a week of intensive use.

    I suspect there is a problem here, and a 10.1.1 upgrade will arrive sooner rather than later, quietly distributed through software update with little comment from Apple.
     
  4. Speaker macrumors newbie

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    Reformatting, and other problems

    In response to the last post - i wonder what sort of formatting you did to the hard drive.. did you choose to 'zero the drive' or did you just do a quick format. I don't know if the drive is your problem, but thats at least a place to start.

    However, I wonder if anyone is having the same problem with 10.1 as i am... when i go to dialup on my modem (this usually happens after ive just played Quake), i click connect and the computer just stops and thinks for at least a solid minute. I get the spinning cursor, and nothing responds (even the mouse lags big time) until that minute or so is over, then im back to normal. I suspect memory problems, but Im not sure and dont know how to test it. any ideas out there?
     
  5. Foocha thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    Reformatting

    Yup, I did write zeros - no good.

    I've got it working again, but it's still a little shakey. Some of the problems I'm encountering are probably not disk related, like the instability of IE5.1 - it seems like the public beta was more stable!
     
  6. Foocha thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    I'm happy to report that I've been using 10.1 for a few weeks now and things are working a whole lot better. It turned out that the Dantz Retrospect extension I had running in classic was preventing it from shutting down properly (doh - pretty obvious since Retrospect 'defers showdown awaiting backup' but I never had a problem with it in 10.0).

    I think repeatedly forcing Classic to quit every time I shut down must be what caused the other problems because it works perfectly now.
     
  7. Anton Szandor LaVey macrumors newbie

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    This may sound really stupid but, I have osx installed on the same drive as 9.1 it is not partioned or anything and I was wondering how do I uninstall os 10.1?
     
  8. Foocha thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    Removing 10.1

    Are you going to install 10.1 on a different volume? From my experience 10.1 & 9 work best on the same volume, otherwise Classic can get a bit shakey. Also, 9.2.1 is much more reliable than 9.1 for Classic.

    I don't think there's any easy way to uninstall 10.1. You could boot into 9.1 and delete all the files that are visible, like the Kernel, but there will be many other hidden files that are not easy to find and delete. I wouldn't recommend it.

    I think the only way to be sure is to back up all your work and apps, erase the volume and do a clean install of 9.1, then copy everything back.

    [Edited by Foocha on 11-05-2001 at 07:46 AM]
     
  9. Anton Szandor LaVey macrumors newbie

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    So is it better to have both 10.1 and 9.2 on the same drive?
     
  10. Foocha thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    I would say yes.

    9.2 is designed for 10.1 - it works faster in Classic mode, and integration with the 10.1 Finder and clipboard appears to be more reliable.

    The only advantage I know of in having the two systems in seperate partitions is that you can select which system to use at the beginning of startup using the bootloader provided on recent Macs. It's a neat time saver if you use both systems a lot, but I've read serveral reports of people encountering problems using Classic with this setup - these problems may have been fixed with 9.2 and 10.1 (I haven't tried it out this combination on seperate partitions) but Apple still recommends installing them together in one partition.
     
  11. MacUser1 macrumors 6502

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    what should i do

    My family has a g4, pismo and ibook dual usb all of which have 9.2.1 and 10.0.4 on the same disk with no partitions. We have the upgrade CD (10.1) from apple. What should we do so that we won't have problems?
     
  12. Foocha thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    I don't anticipate you'll have any problems in installing the 10.1 upgrade on top of 10.0.4 with 9.2.1 on the same partition. I've done it myself several times with no problems. Of course as with any system upgrade, it's a good idea to back up your work first, just in case.

    The issue of partitions causing problems with Classic are a result of having the OS 9 system folder you are using for Classic on a different partition to your OS X system. 10.1 & 9.2.1 on the same partition is actually the optimal configuration for using Classic.

    Sorry if I was confusing before.
     
  13. evildead macrumors 65816

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    Im having some problems too

    I have a problem with Classic crashing. If I open up a classic app... it boots into classic like it should. Then if I hide the classic app in the background... a few min later... classic crashes. Same thing if I quit the app. The next time to boot into 9, I get the disk first aid message..."you didnt not shut down..." you have all seen it. I heard that there are some isues with 9.2.1 and the way it runs in classic mode. Something about atempting to write data to sectors of the drive that done exist. Any one have this problem or head about the bad sectors thing??
     
  14. Foocha thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    I get the problem with the "your Mac was not shut down correctly" message when booting into OS 9 too. I think everyone gets that. I assumed it was just a glitch in OS 9.

    One of the big problems I have with Classic is sleep - classic seems to hate sleep, and some apps seem to become unstable after sleep - particuarly on my Powerbook.

    I was interested to hearing about the 9.2.1 issue you mentioned regarding writing data. This could explain the disk errors we've encountered on a couple of machines at my work. Norton identified and fixed serveral issues and we haven't encountered problems since. What I found suspicious was that we had exactly the same problems on two different machines with the same configuration (10.0.4 & 9.2.1).

    Sure enough, http://www.thinksecret.com are reporting betas in distribution of 10.0.1 which features a number of bug fixes. Interesting!
     
  15. oldMac macrumors 6502a

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    Speaker - your dialup issue

    Hi Speaker,

    I had the same dial-up issue with 10.0.4. I'm not sure what causes it, but it seems to happen most often after my machine (iBook 500) has awoken from sleep.

    Usually, it wll not happen if I completely quit the "Internet Connect" software before trying to reconnect.

    It's disappointing to hear this is still in 10.1. I've not used dial-up since 10.1 came out.

    Btw, to others... I've upgraded several machines from 10.0.4 to 10.1 and have not seen these issues with disk errors or classic. The setups I've upgraded all had OS 9 and OS X on the same disk/partition.
     
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