MI ruling that bans benefits for gay partners alarms gay rights advocates nationwide

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  1. leekohler macrumors G5

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    Wow- two days in a row of great news. :rolleyes: Attitudes always end up affecting public policy.

    http://www.advocate.com/news_detail_ektid41893.asp

     
  2. Thanatoast macrumors 6502a

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    If I'm reading this correctly, this decision was based on one of those ****** marriage amendments? That sucks. People need to chill the hell out.
     
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    I'm sure certain people here will just tell us to chill out too. I mean, come on- it's just people disagreeing with the "gay lifestyle". :rolleyes: ;)
     
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    It was. Next stop, the Michigan Supreme Court, then potentially the federal courts and the national Supreme Court. Each of these cases brings the equal protection issues into sharper focus. Eventually the constitutional question of passing deliberately discriminatory laws at the state level will have to be addressed federally by the courts, if not by Congress.
     
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    Unfortunately, it seems we're losing.
     
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    At the moment, in some quarters. Surely not everywhere. And not too far into the future, I think the Supreme Court will be faced with a case which has stark equal protection implications.
     
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    Given who's on the Supreme Court, I find that far from comforting.
     
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    Well, all Americans will sleep soundly in their beds tonight :rolleyes:
     
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    Point taken, but again I think the timing on this not tomorrow or the next day, and I would not presuppose how any of the current justices, conservative, liberal or moderate, would rule if faced with a very clear 14th Amendment case.
     
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    heh heh. the last thing that court needs is more controversy.
     
  11. leekohler thread starter macrumors G5

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    Maybe I shouldn't either, but I still think this is gonna be an uphill battle.

    Just as a sidenote- I find it interesting that this thread hasn't attracted the attention from certain people that the Snickers thread did. ;)
     
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    Wow. that's crazy! Our union just ensured health benefits for same sex couples. , not in MI, but I can't imagine that the state would interfere in similar decisions.

    What's wrong with these people (lawmakers):mad: !
     
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    What kills me is: if the constitution guaranteed equality for everyone regardless of sexual orientation on matters like this the conservatives wouldn't complain for too long. After a few years you'd not hear much. They aren't that passionate about our benefits and marriage rights, they would just put their ignorance into something else trivial, and forget that homos exist.

    *grumble*

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  14. leekohler thread starter macrumors G5

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    Oh- that's where you're wrong. Those idiots will try to harm us any way they can. They don't care much for laws- look at abortion clinic bombings. I fear this will get worse before it gets better. They would never just lay down and leave people alone.
     
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    I think it would be really intense for 6 months. It would be all over the media. Then the next six months it would start to slowly drift out. I think after 2, maybe 3 years people would cease to care enough to debate about the amendment. Homophobia will always persist, though. There'd definitely be killings and such, as there are now. But I don't think the evangelicals could put up a 10 year battle against a federal amendment that guarantees equality regardless of sexual orientation. They'd get tired, they'd quit.

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    I think you're close here, but not quite right. The evangelicals will never quit. What will happen, however; is that as time puts some distance between a decision to legalize gay marriage or something similar the general public will grow quiet as they realize that gays are getting married and the sky isn't falling, and society isn't failing, and no one is marrying farm animals, as the evangelicals would have them believe.

    And you're right, homophobia will always remain, just as racism still lingers today, 50 years after the civil rights movement. Even though no major public figures would dream of openly spouting racist views, they're still there, both consciously and subconsciously.
     
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    Exactly. I think after 2 or 3 years the evangelicals would be a LOT more quiet than they are now. Once they realize that it our marriage rights don't affect them...

    *plays crickets noise*

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  18. leekohler thread starter macrumors G5

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    No they won't. Once they get a bee in their bonnet it usually stays. How else do you get followers? There always has to be an enemy.
     
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    Yikes! "Odor in the court." I like it.

    Of course. No civil rights battle is easy or quick.

    Last night I watched the second half of the "Supreme Court" series on PBS. One of the justices on the Warren Court (it might have been Earl Warren himself) predicted that their decision in Brown v. Board of Education would produce blood in the streets. He was right -- it took another ten years of fighting, legally, legislatively, and literally, for Jim Crow to finally be put down.
     
  20. leekohler thread starter macrumors G5

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    Well, I've been in this fight for over 20 years- looks like it won't end in my lifetime.
     
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    Eyes on the prize...one of these day they'll lose, and more people will have the equal rights that should have
     
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    Incidentally, and a little off topic, I keep getting these messed up letters from some nutcases called "The Alliance Defense Fund". In big red typeface on the front of the one that came in a few days ago it says:

    ALERT: How the ACLU is using public schools to force children to accept homosexual behavior.

    see how we're blocking their plans


    :confused:

    Oddly, when I first saw it as I was leafing through the mail, I thought "great, kids need to learn to accept homosexuality" because recently my kid has been bringing home some unpleasant homophobic stuff. His favorite of my friends is gay, so once I point that out all the epithets cease. However, I worry about where the language is coming from... But somehow these crazy people think that we need to perpetuate hate??

    Still, I wonder why they are sending me this mail??

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  23. leekohler thread starter macrumors G5

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    Why are they sending you that mail? That should be obvious.
     
  24. yojitani macrumors 68000

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    No, it's not. It's not like they mail the whole city. There's nothing in my background that would suggest me as a likely sympathizer - quite the opposite. I'd like to know how I ended up in their addressbook. I've returned several of their letters already, but their crap still arrives every two weeks or so..
     
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    It would seem to me that they're trying to reach as many people as possible.
     

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