It's bad enough when someone tries to lie in order to get what they want. For Example, the title of his recent movie, Bowling for Columbine, is based upon an apocryphal story that has already been refuted. I could go on and on about how he staged the free gun at the bank, or that the lockheed martin plant he had his little rant at didn't produce missles, but that's not why I start my first thread. Moore had a nice little nugget about the victims on the planes on 9/11, finding it a great opportunity to make fun of them while at a London club. Here's the link http://www.independent.co.uk/story.jsp?story=366725 But here's the quote to save time... "What we did not expect was to feel so enraged at one point that we almost walked out. It was when Moore went into a rant about how the passengers on the planes on 11 September were scaredy-cats because they were mostly white. If the passengers had included black men, he claimed, those killers, with their puny bodies and unimpressive small knives, would have been crushed by the dudes, who as we all know take no disrespect from anybody." For those who see the need to make this place a forum for your liberal gripes, here's some of your own medicine.