Microsoft Shadow Copy copies Time Machine!

Discussion in 'macOS' started by lu0s3r322, Jan 7, 2007.

  1. lu0s3r322 macrumors 6502a

    Nov 28, 2005
    Illinois, USA
    I'm watching the Bill Gates keynote and they're showing off a feature called shadow copy and it restores old version of documents. The guy said "It's better than going back in time.", which is a direct diss at Time Machine.

    that's gotta be some sort of copying.
  2. nuclearwinter macrumors regular


    Nov 3, 2003
    Milky Way
    Um, no.

    Actually its been in Server 2003. No one is copying anyone. Both companies are just taking the next logical step in document/file management.

    Read here.

    EDIT: and here for a bit more info.
  3. Lixivial macrumors 6502a


    Jan 13, 2005
    Between cats, dogs and wanderlust.
    The Macintosh community really needs to get away from this notion that one company copies from another. When a feature is useful in one system it's bound to appear in another. It may be worth noting that Volume Shadow Copy was introduced in Windows Server 2003, well before even Panther was released.

    Before this there was System Restore/Snapshotting that has been around since Windows ME. These sort of backup procedures are nothing all that new or innovative; the innovation is in how Apple allows the user to interface with them. In this case Vista is not copying OS X.

    EDIT: Beaten to it. :eek:

    EDIT 2: Tiger changed to Panther.
  4. dukebound85 macrumors P6


    Jul 17, 2005
    5045 feet above sea level
    people claiming apple is the originator of all things really makes me hate these forums in a sense. apple implements features from others and gets copied from others big deal.

    uh oh guys ford just implemented airbags. they are copying toyota. toyota needs to sue them...who cares if its for the better of the industry and for saftey purposes.

    *i do not know who first did airbags*
  5. GoCubsGo macrumors Nehalem


    Feb 19, 2005
    Your reply to this post is mimicking what I would write. You think like me, you're going down bitch!
  6. Quboid macrumors 6502

    Oct 16, 2006
    I agree. The use of the CD is a "copy" of sony/phillips invention.
  7. maxrobertson macrumors 6502a

    Jun 15, 2006
    OK, Microsoft does copy. A lot. But this is not a copy. There are times to call "Rip off!" and times not to. Look at the Vista interface and naming conventions if you want to do that. This is not the time.
  8. lu0s3r322 thread starter macrumors 6502a

    Nov 28, 2005
    Illinois, USA
    ok true, it was in server 2003 i forgot about that. but the fact that the guy made that quote shows what they're trying to do.
  9. Dave the Great macrumors regular

    Jan 27, 2004
    Actually, Ford tested them out first, followed by GM, etc.
  10. dukebound85 macrumors P6


    Jul 17, 2005
    5045 feet above sea level
    thanks learn something everyday!
  11. clevin macrumors G3


    Aug 6, 2006
    i feel same, especially when some ppl really don't know much about windows at all, and making statements like they are experts, its just ridiculous.
  12. Sesshi macrumors G3


    Jun 3, 2006
    One Nation Under Gordon
    Which covers ~nine-tenths of Windows-related comments on this forum. Still, the kids need to keep themselves entertained somehow... ;)
  13. bousozoku Moderator emeritus

    Jun 25, 2002
    Gone but not forgotten.
    It covers both the Windows-related comments and the Mac-related comments.

    It makes you wonder if these people are going to work in jobs of importance or they're just going straight to being bosses. :D
  14. The Stig macrumors 6502a

    The Stig

    Nov 4, 2006
    On the track

    The airbag as known today was invented by John W. Hetrick in 1952 and he patented the device the following year. Hetrick came up with the idea to help protect his own family using expertise from his naval engineering days.

    The American inventor Allen Breed then developed a key component for automotive use - the ball-in-tube sensor for crash detection. He marketed this innovation first in 1967 to Chrysler.
  15. MacVault macrumors 65816

    Jun 10, 2002
    Planet Earth
    Heck!... I wish Apple would start copying Microsoft.. like in these areas...

    • Windows Home Server
    • Microsoft Money
    • Active Directory
    • Group Policy Objects
    • DFS
    • SQL Server
    • Sharepoint
    • Exchange
    • Outlook
    • Backspace key on keyboard
    • Networking & file sharing that actually works
    • Right-click menus in every conceivable place
    • The help system question marks
    • Full-screen windows
    • Snappy finder
    etc. etc. etc.
  16. Willis macrumors 68020


    Apr 23, 2006
    What feels like the middle of nowhere
    Ford did test them, but no one bought the cars.

    Mercesdes Benz, much like all car technology, were the first to impliment such features such as ABS, Traction control, Airbags, cruise control, etc. in the S-Class Saloons

  17. After G macrumors 68000

    After G

    Aug 27, 2003
    I want Apple to improve its enterprise functionality more, but not down to straight copying Windows. For all the useful functionality in the enterprise brought by Windows, I believe those ideas can be implemented better by Apple. The list above sounds more like the Windows way than a list of functionality which is inherently better on Windows that that on Mac OS X.

    Apple is the first (as far as I know) to bring it to consumers. Even if Microsoft came out with it first, as someone mentioned above, in Server 2003, they did it for the enterprise. If it's in Vista, I'll give the nod to MS.

    And why would MS have to diss Time Machine if they came out with the functionality first? Apple will probably do it better anyway :p :D
  18. yg17 macrumors G5


    Aug 1, 2004
    St. Louis, MO
    Yeah, MS definitely had this first. And after using Shadow Copy on some DFS shares at work, I must say, it works very well and I hope Time Machine is just as good.
  19. nsjoker macrumors regular


    Apr 13, 2005
    Miami, Fl
    Negative. I'm with Shadow Copy on this one. Time Machine requires another HD to work.. and actually makes copies of each file change which uses up a lot of disk space and is inefficient. Shadow Copy will work on your primary HD and seems to use some sort of CVS technology.

    Also, the UI for Time Machine seems a bit over-the-top, not the usual cool-yet functional design Apple excels at.
  20. ddekker macrumors regular

    Sep 23, 2006
    am I missing something? Vista has this feature and is released... I have the newest mmac OS X on my laptop and I don't have this time machine thingy... or do I and just don't know where or how to use it?

  21. Sesshi macrumors G3


    Jun 3, 2006
    One Nation Under Gordon
    No. Dedicated Apple users tend to talk of the future (as long as His Jobsness has decreed it so) as now. Don't worry about it.

    Exhibit A would be the hype for something that's 6 months into the future - Sony created the original Playstation and Microsoft created the Zune in not much longer and it is enough time for a competitor resourceful enough to come up with something that at least puts up a fair fight, just a few months into the release of the iPhone.
  22. skunk macrumors G4


    Jun 29, 2002
    Republic of Ukistan
    Surely ABS was pioneered in the form of the Dunlop Maxaret braking system on aircraft, then used by Jensen in the Interceptor FF, circa 1967, if I remember correctly?
    Or maybe I'm talking out of my arse...
  23. MacBoobsPro macrumors 603


    Jan 10, 2006
    Have you seen how complicated it is to use?

    Also Microsoft are still in the past with 10.4... er... i mean Vista so thats saying a lot.

    I got bored of watching the video so didnt watch it all the way through but I did find it funny when they stop for applause and they dont get any. Infact at one point the guy doing the time machine thing actually stopped and said "what, no applause?"

    Excruciating to watch but funny as hell! :D
  24. iW00t macrumors 68040


    Nov 7, 2006
    Defenders of Apple Guild
    Actually I hate to say this but shadow copy is a much more advanced (and useful) implementation that time machine. Time machine only backs up once daily. Unlike Steve most people are probably a lot more productive than that, a day's work can be a lot of work, stuff that is potentially unbacked up and at risk.

    Shadow copy saves every alteration, it is much much better than what TM is made out to be. Of course we never know... besides Spotlight added some file update hooks into the OS already, trivial for Apple to just make TM save it on a per modification basis.
  25. Sesshi macrumors G3


    Jun 3, 2006
    One Nation Under Gordon
    You set your shadow copy schedule by using a few tickboxes and drop-down menus. You right-click on a folder, click on a tab and click a couple buttons to restore. Yeah... really complicated.

    The problem is partially Microsoft staff's inability to be as slick as Jobs.

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