Microsoft slugs Mac users with Vista tax

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  1. djinn macrumors 68000

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    Intel-based Macs should be able to run any version of Vista they want since their not emulating Windows. PPC, of course, will have problems.

    I'm not surprised by this at all. Microsoft has been whining a lot about Apple in the press and they're clawing for ways to get back at them.
     
  3. djinn thread starter macrumors 68000

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    I just thought I would mention this since I read some posts in the past about Vista on the macs.
     
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    Bootcamp is not virtualization. (BINV?) Parallels, otoh...
     
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    so.......it is their software let them do whatever they want.
     
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    MS isn't punishing Mac users with this on purpose. You just aren't allowed to run the cheap-o version of Vista on a VM. They're just trying to make sure that they're making as much money as possible from "enterprises" by not allowing Home Basic version to be run on a VM.

    It does punish Parallels users, but MS hasn't really done anything wrong here.
     
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    Home and Home Premium just can't be used on a virtual machine. That applies to ANY operating system. Just run it via Boot Camp is you want Vista that badly.
     
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    I just read this on slashdot.com... I'm wondering if Microsoft can "legally" make such a stipulation... Virtual machine or not... :confused:

    Do we have any lawyers in the crowd?
     
  10. jeremy.king macrumors 603

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    The same could be said of Apple and OS X...

    Whats funny is that this extends well into the PC market as well, as Eidorian mentioned. Many organizations use VMWare (and other products) for various reasons, such as testing and training. Microsoft isn't just targeting Mac users who use Fusion or Parallels, its ALL virtualization users regardless of platform. Just move along and don't buy Microsoft products.

    It just bugs me that bloggers say that MS is targeting Macs just for personal gain.
     
  11. djinn thread starter macrumors 68000

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    Who cares with Leopard around the corner. I put Vista on my Dell M1710 and wasn't impressed with it at all. I went back to XP.
     
  12. Mavimao macrumors 6502a

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    Can they really enforce this? In the words of JOB, "COME ON!"
     
  13. Mgkwho macrumors 6502a

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    whhhhhhhhhy do people think that bootcamp is virtualization?

    I just don't get it, I just don't, I'm sorry.

    -=|Mgkwho
     
  14. mkrishnan Moderator emeritus

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    Well, when your three year old pushes his Fischer-Price pickup truck around the yard because he saw daddy driving his F150, you call it pretend play. It's only right that when you put a real man's operating system on a Fischer-Price computer that you also call it virtualization.
     
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    Hmm, I'm confused with your metaphor. :confused: probably I'm being stupid :eek:.

    Anyway I thought Parrellels could boot your Boot-Camp version of Windows now?
     
  16. acoustics940 macrumors member

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    Who gives a **** why do you want vista on your mac anyways just run xp?
     
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    I'm also confused. The way I read it, you are saying Vista is a "real man's OS" and Macs are basically toys. Either you are being sarcastic, trolling, or I completely missed your point. Most likely the latter.
     
  18. mkrishnan Moderator emeritus

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    I was being snide... saying that the Mac is a toy computer and therefore any running of Vista on it could only be a "virtual" computer at best. ;) Because of the earlier press comments about Macs being Fischer-Price toys. Of course I love my Mac.

    As for the Parallels issue -- as far as I know, it's a purely *legal* issue -- the cheapest version of Vista will *work* on Parallels, but it won't be legal usage of the product. MS announced that a long time ago. And it applies to all virtualization engines on all platforms -- it is not directed solely at Macs. If you run a PC with Linux or Windows XP and use virtualization sandboxes (e.g. for development), it applies to you just as much as it applies to a Mac user. Of course, most of those traditional users of virtualization have always been corporate users anyway.
     
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    Sorry, no, Parallels -- I edited it.

    1) All versions of Vista work and work legally on Bootcamp

    2) All versions of Vista work but are not legal on Parallels. Only the virtualization-approved license levels are legally usable on Parallels.
     
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    I thought XP was the Fischer Price OS ;).
     
  22. mkrishnan Moderator emeritus

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    The backstory.

     
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    The point I was going to make (had I not read all the posts on the page). Most virtualizations will be in a corporate setting - this just ensures corporations don't buy the cheaper Home editions.

    As for enforcement, the mechanisms have state to state variations. I can't remember how most states operate.
     

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