I was just in a store called the 'Book store', a store founded by the university of toronto which has 80,000 plus students. the store also supplies to other schools in toronto Ontario, making it a computer vendor to 95,000 students+. I just walked in to check out their gear 'tues aug 1st'. went to the back to look at the powermac g5, and they were having a huge sale. The dual 2.0 was 300 dollars off of the regular student price which is around 2,100.oo. and they had 5 powermac quads with 4 gigs of ram and hard-drive upgrade to 500 gb's for 3,999, wow!. So I asked the people at the front desk, 'do you have any dual 2.3's on sale, as I only wish I could afford the Quad' they replied "We are getting the Mac-pro's, apple told us we should expect it between next week and the middle of the month and cut our stock off. So, we are having an end of stock clearance" so I got into a conversation with the woman, who was obviously a computer science major, she also told me "while I was speaking with the apple rep, he said there would be a 32" ACD with eyesight; real soon!". but more importantly, I am actually sure of these mac pro's!!!!