MS and Dell are more innovative then Apple???

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  1. MacBytes macrumors bot

    Jul 5, 2003
  2. rogueimage macrumors member

    Apr 29, 2003
    Boulder, Colorado
    What a crock

    No wonder Dell and Microsoft finished ahead of Apple. If I'm reading this article correctly, the "innovativeness" of a company was not judged by the rest of the industry, but by that company.

    Question 1: How innovative is Microsoft?
    Bill Gates: Oh, very innovative, indeed. We develop all our ideas ourselves, and never steal anything from other companies.

    Question 2: How much does Microsoft spend on developing new products annually?
    Bill Gates: Eleventy Gazillion dollars. I just wrote the check for this year's research.

    Wow! That's far more than Apple. Microsoft is surely leading the way in innovation!
  3. gregnacu macrumors member

    Jul 19, 2002
    Re: What a crock

    HEAR HEAR! What a joke. I suppose Dell's new music service will count as one of their ingenius innovations too?
  4. Ambrose Chapel macrumors 65816

    Ambrose Chapel

    Jul 24, 2002
    dell is to innovative

    like micro$oft is to secure computing
  5. Blaaze macrumors regular

    Sep 20, 2003
  6. macMaestro macrumors regular

    Sep 14, 2003
    MS and Dell are more innovative then Apple???

    According to a poll of executives, Apple is the third most innovative company in the tech market. I would be willing to accept this if they could find someone for #1 and #2 that has actually invented something in the past twenty years. Guess who the dumb execs picked for the two companies that are more innovative than Apple.

    If you guessed MS and Dell, you're right!



  7. notjustjay macrumors 603


    Sep 19, 2003
    Canada, eh?
    As an owner of 3 Dell laptops (well, not all at once), even I have to say.... what on earth makes Dell so innovative? All they do is rebadge a bunch of stuff built by Compal or Quanta or any number of other OEM manufacturers.

    I do like how they have the DellTalk moderated support forums, perhaps it's true that many other companies don't have this... but that's not really innovation, that's just implementing good practice.
  8. beg_ne macrumors 6502

    Jul 3, 2003
    Well as far as Dell goes they sure find innovative ways to use cheap plastic.

    I predict within two years those brilliant Dell engineers(like the ones in their commercials that go around wildy measuring random things with a tape measure) will find a way to make an entire motherboard out of pure cheap plastic, expect HD's and Power Supplies made out of plastic coming from them not too long after that too.
  9. mainstreetmark macrumors 68020


    May 7, 2003
    Saint Augustine, FL
    I used to have great respect for Dell. I told everyone I know that if they had to buy a Microsoft box, they should make it a Dell.

    But, in 2 or 3 years, my Inspiron has fallen appart, and I've complained about it numerous times on this forum. My most recent "break" has been the metal laptop lcd hinge.

    It appears to be powdercast, which makes it brittle in the first place. Then, on disassembly, I discovered the left hinge carries all the resistance that holds the LCD open/closed, and the right provides no resistance. It puts all the stress on the left side, which, sure enough, cracked the plastic around the LCD. Later, the entire metal hinge broke, since powdercasting isn't good for making strong parts.

    This Dell is innovating itself into the bottom of the river.
  10. MrMacMan macrumors 604


    Jul 4, 2001
    1 Block away from NYC.
    Ech, that is *horrible* practice.

    'How much to you spend on R&D'

    Omg... that is the worst poll ever.
  11. patrick0brien macrumors 68040


    Oct 24, 2002
    The West Loop

    It's statistics! Only true when looked at from a very narrow and specific perspective.

    Look who they asked - executives. These are people who are focused on maximizing shareholder value by increasing profits and revenues. These are also people wo usually don't care who made their computer, most don't even know how to use them beyond Excel, PowerPoint, and Word.

    So that in mind, MS is near the top of the heap as they are among the most innovative in provideing that value - regardless if that is standing on the shoulders of monopolistic tendancies or the fact that none of the core products are original.
  12. eromitlab macrumors newbie

    Jul 23, 2003
    Patrick is correct... this poll (however unscientific it may be), was of industry execs, who know nothing more of computing than free porn, Solitare and Outlook, of course they are going to name Dell and M$ above Apple in any arena, since they offer more enterprise and business-end type products and services than Apple. Where Apple has some very specialized industrial focii (e.g. the film industry and so on), these companies are broad, generalised and use terms like "synergy" and "team building" like they are gospel (in reality, it's all bunk). Just imagine some Lumberg-esque (sorry for the Office Space reference) telling these "surveyors" about the fantastic new coffee mug holder on his fancy-pants new Dell workstation.

    I just laugh at these @ssholes... their ignorance is profound, but the more that these people stay away from my beloved Apple, the better off I am as a consumer-end user, because at least I still matter (unlike those OTHER two companies).
  13. themadchemist macrumors 68030


    Jan 31, 2003
    Chi Town
    Actually, I'll have to disagree with patrick on this one. Everything he said was absolutely correct, but I don't think it was the dictating factor here.

    "The study surveyed over 500 senior business executives across teh U.S. in a wide range of industry sectors, asking them in-dept questions on THEIR companies' innovation practices, including specific approaches, level of authority, and leadership, spending trends, success metrics and the influence of major industry trends."

    (; emphasis my own)

    This is like the Princeton Review rankings where PR surveys college students about their own university.

    Well, in theory, every university student would desire to maximize the value of his degree. Therefore, he would seek to maximize the prestige of his university. Therefore, he would give his university perfect marks (or near perfect, if he was sharp enough to take note that perfect marks might get his survey thrown out as unrepresentative).

    Of course, in practice, college students don't all do this. Because of the similarity between what we're considering and PR's survey, it would be interesting to discover the reason that those students didn't just give their respective universities perfect scores.

    The prevailing hypothesis is that they are stupid. Total and complete idiots. Fools. Retards. Mentally-deficient human beings with so little presence of mind or common sense that not only should they be expelled from their universities, but they should also be taken out back and shot.

    The other hypothesis is that they are honest.

    Well, corporate executives, as has been demonstrated time and time again, are neither stupid (in the sense that they are always very cognizant of ways to enhance their own position and to ensure their personal benefit) nor particularly honest.

    Therefore, self-evaluations don't really work on corporate executives like they do on students or on adolescent girls reading teenie girl magazines. The executives of a company have learned not to look at the answer that reflects their company best, but for the answer that reflects best on their company.

    That's true of MS and Dell, but I'm sure it's also true of Apple. Somehow, though, I feel it's more true of MS...Those dirty cousins of worm-eaters...

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