I was just joking (forgot the smiley face), english is not my first language either although I went to school in the US.Sorry, a calque from Dutch. One, you, me, we etc.
I was just joking (forgot the smiley face), english is not my first language either although I went to school in the US.Sorry, a calque from Dutch. One, you, me, we etc.
I was just joking (forgot the smiley face), english is not my first language either although I went to school in the US.
It's sad to read something like that, sorry. They breaching my privacy by wiping off my phone. Even in the case it's my own phone. You find it ok. Extrapolate this on your own private Mac: what would you say if your boss could format the hdd on your personal comp?
I consider individual freedom higher and more valuable than the corporate ones. That's my point.
Man, I didn't want to offend you in any way. Once again sorry if it sounded offending. It's just my viewpoint. I will never, never in my life put rights of any possible boss / company higher than these of mine -- and broadly -- of these of any individual. We're giving our rights away all too easy, I think.
This is why I don't have my phone connected to my work email/calendar. I log in via the web client. I also read an interesting article too that if your company ever gets sued that your device can be confiscated and considered evidence. I often wonder why would I want to use my personal device, and data plan that I pay for, for work? I will read my emails when I get to the office.
Realistically, the phone should notify you if by setting up an (Exchange) account would now result in some sort of setting changes (like enforcement of PIN, or shorter lock times, or some app access) as well as the ability of some level of remote access. Since the OS can detect that, and apply the necessary changes based on the policy of the account that is connected, surely it can notify you, the user of the device, that it will implement those changes, or is implementing those changes, whenever you are setting up a particular account.Recall the old saying about assuming?
Two words: due diligence. No one likes having to research and read up but it's each person's responsibility. Granted, the employer should be ensuring that employees are aware of their specific policies on this matter but each of us has to take the initiative to understand what we're getting into. We can't just expect to be spoon fed everything. If you aren't sure, don't know, aren't having any luck with searching, etc then ask.
That's a matter of opinion. It's a slippery slope IMO as iOS can't notify you of every potentially harmful eventuality for every action you take on your device. Where does the line get drawn and why do we use your placement of the line versus everyone else's?
IMO if it's important to you then you should be looking into it. I'm not just preaching here. That's precisely what I do. It's why I've never used company devices for personal use and person devices for company use.
Start up a business, allow your employees to have sensitive company data on their devices and then tell us it's crazy. You have to consider more than just your own perspective on the matter. Could there possibly be a less heavy handed approach? Sure but it is what it is.
Furthermore, if you, for example, connect to Gmail or Hotmail/Outlook accounts on your phone using Exchange, do those providers (who are not your employers or even institutions you are really involved with beyond simply being a user of their mail service, for example) now suddenly have the ability to remotely wipe your phone or enforce some other settings since you are doing it via Exchange?Obviously, they shouldn't, but *can* they?
Exchange was before my time, so I never dealt with it in a University/College setting. I'm curious to know how academic institutions handle this.
Looking at this from a developer perspective, it shouldn't be that hard to take the Exchange service and just remotely wipe every piece of data that came in contact with it.
Unlike many people here who claim it's ridiculous to put work related services on your personal phone, I don't agree. I do this alot because I am on the road alot and a laptop can only be whipped out when there's wifi around. I recieve way to much emails to limit my work to a laptop or workstation, it's just not a viable option.
You can potentially try Divide: http://www.divide.com/I've been in the IT department for a while now, and this is also news to me.
I get how this was set in place to protect a companies data, and how they can use this to secure any information from leaking.
But I don't understand why the entire phone has to be remotely wiped. This should be a feature limited to the user alone.
Looking at this from a developer perspective, it shouldn't be that hard to take the Exchange service and just remotely wipe every piece of data that came in contact with it. What if a company finds it necessary to wipe your phone but you disagree and you find that it's still possible to find your phone back, in case of theft, I could use "Find My iPhone" to retrieve it.
If a company would then decide to wipe my iPhone anyway, I would be seriously outraged.
Unlike many people here who claim it's ridiculous to put work related services on your personal phone, I don't agree. I do this alot because I am on the road alot and a laptop can only be whipped out when there's wifi around. I recieve way to much emails to limit my work to a laptop or workstation, it's just not a viable option.
If the service (Google, etc.) uses EAS then yeah technically it has the ability to remote wipe the device. Though I don't recall non native Exchange services actually implementing the feature.Furthermore, if you, for example, connect to Gmail or Hotmail/Outlook accounts on your phone using Exchange, do those providers (who are not your employers or even institutions you are really involved with beyond simply being a user of their mail service, for example) now suddenly have the ability to remotely wipe your phone or enforce some other settings since you are doing it via Exchange?
Don't be a douche.
You ALSO clearly didn't read the rest of the thread as I didn't sign anything and we have no policies regarding email on personal phones.
Before going around thinking you're smarter than everyone, maybe you should do some research. It might prevent you from looking like such an @ss.
Wiping the entire phone is an option.But I don't understand why the entire phone has to be remotely wiped.
I might be wrong but it seems like if the company themselves own the phone, then that is the only way your phone can be subpoena-d.
I don't see the big issue about exchange data wipes. There's a reason you back up your device daily.. right?
On android when you set up your exchange server, it tells you that you give your employer the ability to remotely wipe your device.
I use my phone with my employer's exchange without hesitation.
totally agree, but you can't do it remotely without the proper credentials.
Wiping the entire phone is an option.
Does it make sense to use that option on a student-owned phone connected to the University email server? IMO, probably not.
Does it make sense to have that option available for use on a company-issued phone that contains confidential (such as PDFs, spreadsheets and presentations) stored in various applications on the device, in addition to company email? Very much so, IMO.
All of you keep quoting little parts of what I say, but i'll say it again... what if you lose the phone and you and your employer disagree wether or not the phone needs to be wiped, then they wipe it anyway and it turns out you could have easily retrieved it with say Find My iPhone. I don't agree with the fact that this is a call that's made by the company rather than you yourself. Especially when it's a personal phone, regardless of the fact that you should or shouldn't use work related services on your phone.
As long as you know that is a consequence of you adding your employers accounts on your own device then everything is in order.All of you keep quoting little parts of what I say, but i'll say it again... what if you lose the phone and you and your employer disagree wether or not the phone needs to be wiped, then they wipe it anyway and it turns out you could have easily retrieved it with say Find My iPhone. I don't agree with the fact that this is a call that's made by the company rather than you yourself. Especially when it's a personal phone, regardless of the fact that you should or shouldn't use work related services on your phone.
To me, your 'what if' is easy. Understand what your company's policy on lost devices is BEFORE connecting your device via ActiveSync.All of you keep quoting little parts of what I say, but i'll say it again... what if you lose the phone and you and your employer disagree wether or not the phone needs to be wiped, then they wipe it anyway.
To me, your 'what if' is easy. Understand what your company's policy on lost devices is BEFORE connecting your device via ActiveSync.
If you disagree with your company's policy, then DON'T connect your device via ActiveSync.
Their valuable data is lost.
You were careless with it.
If it was my bank details, or IP, or financial docs, that you voluntarily stored on your device. I'd want it wiped, asap. You're feelings be damned.
Your Trade Unions cN legally block someone from securing their information when someone else runs off with it?In the US yes, EU no. What is important to the company is different from what is important to me, that doesn't mean what's important to me doesn't apply. That's what we have a trade union for.
So what's your plan?What is important to the company is different from what is important to me, that doesn't mean what's important to me doesn't apply. That's what we have a trade union for.