My phone line is...

Discussion in 'Community' started by mymemory, Aug 25, 2003.

  1. mymemory macrumors 68020

    mymemory

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    How do you call when the government is listening to your phone calls and recording them?

    Well, that is going one with one of my phone lines. I just found out last week but I was suspecting it since December.

    I work for an intelligence group opposite to the government, we have lots of meetings here in my house but in december I got cought by the National Guard protesting. I can't fall in to details but they took me arrested to the intelligence department. I spended the night there actually talking with the rest of the National Guards until 4am in the morning. They didn't put me in a cell or anything, I was free to do waht ever I wanted except scape, I even sleep in the office with the other guards.

    In the morning they took me to a civilian court togather with a bunch of criminals.

    To make the story short after 5 month I was free of charge. I was realise the same day but I had charges that didn't allow me to leave the country!!!

    Any way, last week some one told me a way to see if my phone line was (...) and one of my phone line is!

    Just pick up the phone, dial just one number, whait..., you are gonna get the wrong number tone, wait..., the tone will be gone and then a silence...

    Well, in one of my phone lines I get a sound like a analog recording machine switching it self off. I'm and audio engineer and I know those sounds. Then the silence is different, like something rotating or making pulses and that it, it keeps going like that for ever.

    Interesting, isn't?

    I just do not care about the recordings, I know there are more important people than me talking more important things, but it is a way to monitoring what is going on.
     
  2. Powerbook G5 macrumors 68040

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    I wouldn't be surprised if they also have a way to monitor your emails/computer activity. There are programs out there (especially in the Windows world) that can record your every keystroke and send the info anywhere.
     
  3. mnkeybsness macrumors 68030

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    aren't you planning on moving to a different country? i thought you had mentioned that before, but it could have been another member...

    i would be pretty pissed off if the government was listening in on me. talk about invasion of privacy!
     
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  5. tazo macrumors 68040

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    Wow the naivete of some people.

    There is a global surveillance system known as echelon, which you can read about here:
    http://www.heise.de/tp/english/inhalt/te/6929/1.html

    The US has been spying on US citizens and surrounding countries for years;
    many other countries including those in Europe are part of the Echelon network.

    Don't you mean...
    Insertreligiousfigureofyourchoiceornofigureifyouragnostic Bless America?

    Assuming said individual indeeds wishes that the the religiousfigureofyourchoiceornofigureifyouragnostic need bless America.

    Mymemory,
    I thought you were a musician? Or is this just your "cover"?
     
  6. TEG macrumors 604

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    I've always heard noise on my lines, like a rewinding cassette machine. I always thought is was drift from other lines, or some equipment at the phone company. But I just realized that it was only on phones with my last name on it. Its not at my family with different last names, but on those with the same seem to have this affliction. it may have something to do with my dad's service in the Navy, But it really could just be noise.

    Never the less, with your experience I'll watch what I say on the Telephone.

    TEG
     
  7. MrMacMan macrumors 604

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    You don't think they are doing this here?

    Its called the Patriot Act, and now the next patriot act aka Patriot Act II or Son of Patriot .

    You would never know at all really.

    I suspected the gov't did something with my phones in my house.

    Over the day the wire in my house changed, they were replaced, without my parents, family, friends or repair servicemen over my house.

    Its happening faster then you think.
     
  8. Powerbook G5 macrumors 68040

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    Okay, I think it's time for a little mandatory X-Files time out!:p
     
  9. Juventuz macrumors 6502a

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    wow, there are a lot of paranoid Americans on this forum.

    BTW, that wasn't directed at you mymemory.
     
  10. Giaguara macrumors 6502a

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    I never trust the phone. Many times i've said "I don't want to talk about this topic in the phone. I'll talk about it face to face". Or if I need more privacy, I use pay phones. But my basic assumption of the phone is that I'm not 100 % sure it's not listened. I admit my paranoias about this have got to the point I had 10 mobile phone numbers of which I remembered 1 or 2, and used the other 8 to only call. I have my reasons for having done so though. And not explaining the reason to most people even face to face.
     
  11. rainman::|:| macrumors 603

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    It's happening over here too, buddy... the department of homeland security, empowered by the illegal patriot act, is the first governmental agency specifically given the task of spying on it's citizens. Most due process has been removed from surveillance, so they can tap phone/internet connections on a whim.

    All to help prevent terrorism... of course. Governments never abuse emergency powers...

    pnw
     
  12. Powerbook G5 macrumors 68040

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    Well, technically, the government can suspend any and all of our rights if they feel it necessary...Lincoln pretty much trampled all over the consitution...yet we consider him a hero...how ironic is that?
     
  13. tazo macrumors 68040

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    Actually the NSA was the agency dedicated to surveillance...originally...
     
  14. mymemory thread starter macrumors 68020

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    Manky stuff... I'm moving to New York, you could read my signature once in a while.

    Yes, my "cover" is as musician. I was an active musician a long time ago and I'm in to video right now but as there are no jobs (I'm making lees of $300 a month) joing an organization 2 years ago created to remove the president and create awarness of the Venezuelan situation.

    Now, we discovered that we had a lot of anemies in the same opposition, there were political parties that wanted to remove the president but not that fast yet. Little by little we started to discover the complots, the networks between the president and people of the opposition that where actually helping him.

    That way in 2 years you can accumulate a lot of information and you have bases to prove them.

    I have a email data base that I send to people with very accurate analisys of current events and weather or not they are true. For example: there was a rumor in december that the government had 500.000 body bags because of a near armed confrontation. The idea was to scare people and making them stay at home. Well, those bags never exist but that psicological treatment used very wisely can destroy the opponents of a goverment without the use of a single bullet.

    Well, my job (for free) is to discover such "smoke bombs" and spread the information and to remind the people that "this story is just like that one when..." and nothing happen. So people is not affraid of the government any more and we literally are showing that "the emperor has no clothes".

    Of course I'm not the one with the biggest data base, I'm in some other stuff now, people are already aware enough of the situation but my phone still "tapped".

    Actually, here is a picture of me last wensday marching downtown.
     
  15. Durandal7 macrumors 68040

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    Of course they are doing it here. Someone has already pointed out Echelon, and believe me that has been in existence a lot longer then the Patriot Act. They're just being more blatant about it now.

    You can hook a voltmeter to your phone line to monitor for recording equipment picking up, a sudden drop or spike in line voltage indicates that a device has been attached to the circuit you are on. Patch the voltmeter into the center 2 wires on the phone line and keep an eye on it, if there is a listening device there will be some changes in the voltage. It won't pick up Echelon-type listening but it sounds like the Venezualan government is using fairly primitive methods which can be picked up using this method.
     
  16. mymemory thread starter macrumors 68020

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    Well, I do not know about the primitive part, remember that governments are never cheap about their security. Now, I wouldn't use the latest equipment to monitoring me neither.

    I'm aware with some of the technical stuff too because I'm not the only one with his phone line tapped around here. I'm more familiar with the cell phones technologies, some of them are impossible to tapp, they just can record the information and reading it at the end of the day, it can not be done real time.

    But who knows, poor guy the one listening to my conversations, at list he know a bit more about Macs than he did a year before.:rolleyes:
     
  17. Powerbook G5 macrumors 68040

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    "Hey listen...this guy says there are these computers that don't crash, don't have security patches every other day, and don't get a virus..." "That's crazy, he must be crazy! That's it, call off the tap...this nut is dilusional, he thinks he can use an 'Apple' to email people! Who's heard of using a piece of fruit to overthrow the government!"
     
  18. RobVanDam macrumors member

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    Thanks tazo, I needed a good laugh

    Mymemory, just remember the key thing. Don't ever say you'll do anything violent.
     
  19. MrMacMan macrumors 604

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    Yeah speaking on-telephone saying your gonna do something will be a no-no.



    With my case, I'm 100% sure it is just being recorded and scanned and downloaded into a server farm out west.

    :rolleyes:

    Everytime I'm on the phone I say some gibberish like 'terriosmal-quedabushkillafganistantalibanIraqbomb'

    To set off the red-flags... :cool:
     
  20. teabgs macrumors 68030

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    it's not paranoid when they're actually doing it.

    It's been going on for years, and now with the "patriot act" they can do whatever they want.

    The un-told stories by the media speak the truth. There's a lot of messed up stuff thats happened in NYC these last few years which is apparently not covered by the media, it's all spread by word of mouth here.
     
  21. themadchemist macrumors 68030

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    It's not paranoia. When Congress passes a blanket-act that allows the Justice Department and other enformcement agencies to pry into everythinng--even your library record--and to arrest people at-will with a suspension of the writ of habeas corpus, then I think there is a problem.

    Secret intelligence courts, tribunals, etc., are becoming the norm when people can be called terrorists.

    Right after Sept. 11, hundreds of people were arrested for no reason at all, except that their skin color was brown. This, of course, hasn't stopped me from voicing my criticism for this militant administration, but some still don't get it.

    Only a few weeks ago, the following occurred.

    A man was online at work looking at a site titled "Weapons of Mass Stupidity," discussing Bush's idiotic war. His colleague thought it said Weapons of Mass Destruction. Of course, like the good citizen, he called the FBI for someone LOOKING AT A SITE TITLED WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. First of all, that is ridiculous as it is. Viewing a site about WMD's means nothing. Absolutely nothing. The idiocy of this cannot be put into words.

    Anyway, later that night, the FBI knocks on the guy's door, takes him into custody, interrogates him for many hours, etc.

    The idiot who wasted the FBI's time: Got some sort of citizen's award for his heroic act.

    The point is, you are naive to think that this country protects everyone's personal freedoms. If you're a foreign national (with Green Card over even citizenship), there is increased scrutiny.

    I'm not saying that we're all being watched or tapped, but at least a few of the 20,000 people on these forums are. If even 5 are, then that is a significant percentage of the total, all things considered.

    If you want an obvious example, look at the airport screening that the JD tried to get through Congress. O.K., fine, red flag people suspected of felonies, that makes sense. However, there were a bunch of other reasons to red flag, like suspicion of terrorism.

    You know what could amount to suspicion of terrorism? You've got brown skin. You speak with a tinge of an accent. You miss your flight because the stupid lady at the counter doesn't know how to operate the computer. You get on her case and ask for her supervisor. You accost the supervisor and file a complaint. Watch out--next flight you take, they'll check all your bags. (Just a hypothetical example)

    This country is not the great defender of civil liberties that it once was or pretended to be. It is much better than many, many, many other countries, but I think it has come to point that we can all sympathize, at least on some level, with our friend in Venezuela.
     
  22. tazo macrumors 68040

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    I do the same ;)

    Every conversation starts with
    hey [name], killbushdownwithgovernmentelfelfelfelf :)

    Well I guess you will have to do one of two things.

    Stop checking out girls-gone-wild7 on dvd, or ignore the look from the librarian when she checks out "Terrorism for dumbies" for ya.

    -tazo
     
  23. themadchemist macrumors 68030

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    lol. Funny tazo.

    But seriously, the Patriot Act goes a little far. Here's an example. I was doing a research paper on Saddam Hussein two years ago. So, of course, I check out all these books about his regime and about the Middle East and conflicts there...When you check out 12 books about Hussein, maybe that throws up a red flag for someone. "Hey, you can't be reading about Hussein if you don't love him!" And then I get targeted. Obviously, this didn't happen (I hope :D ), but it's a possibility.

    I think the problem with invasion of privacy is a bit more subtle than you give it credit for.

    But you DO need to watch out about talking like that on the phone. Saying the world elf four times could really get you in trouble. ;)
     
  24. tazo macrumors 68040

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    Actually it would be referring to the ELF a greenpeace-esque pseudo-terrorist group.

    The problem with invasion of privacy has been around since the beginning days of Echelon; people seem to believe that a lack of privacy began with the patriot act, which is wholly untrue.
     

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