My school says i can't have a Mac. Tell me there wrong.

Discussion in 'General Mac Discussion' started by goodknight411, Jun 14, 2004.

  1. macrumors member

    Jun 14, 2004
    MiddlaNowhere, Arkansas
    Hi, I really want to buy either the 12 or 15" powerbook. I've always had windows computer and hate them. But i don't know alot about Mac's. If i get a powerbook for college i'll be on my own with any problems
    But when i emailed the College's computer guy (just to make sure it would work) he freaked out. "you cant use it on our network or access the internet with it on campus, you need to stay with PC/Windows format."
    Is he right or does he just not know about Mac??:confused: HELP!!!!!!!!!
  2. macrumors member

    May 31, 2004
    what college is this? I know that on our campus many many people use macs and can easily access the network, wireless or wired.
  3. thread starter macrumors member

    Jun 14, 2004
    MiddlaNowhere, Arkansas
    School's name

    the school is an off-shoot of Arkansas State University. (ASU supports mac, even sells them in the bookstore) The school i'm going to is ASU Mountain Home, but i will be taking ASU classes most of the time even though i'll be at the other campus. (confusing, i know.)
  4. macrumors 68040


    Feb 17, 2003
    with Hamburglar.
    sounds like BS to me. If they use a Novell client, they may not support Macs for networked drives etc, but if you plug in an ethernet jack, it should give you the internet without a problem.
  5. macrumors 6502a

    Jul 18, 2002
    Exactly, our IT guys at University of Alaska tell me every time "you can't do that with a mac". But the truth is they mean they don't know how to do it, I can do nearly everything that everyonelse does on a PC. You may have to get inventive and visit these boards often for advice. But I would bet the cost of your laptop that a mac would work just fine - at the very least through virtual pc.
  6. macrumors 6502a


    Mar 22, 2004
    United States
    No problems with networking between Mac and PC. Read up a little on how to do it and show him how it's done ;).

    Best wishes,
  7. macrumors regular

    Jul 15, 2003
    Only if they deliberately make efforts to exclude your Mac from the network could they make it not work! Which some places do, whether out of spite or incompetence, who knows.

    Once your Mac skills are honed, though, you can throw these bums onto the street and take over their jobs. Perhaps that is what they secretly fear, in fact. People who are unqualified, lazy and ignorant really should lose their jobs, particularly in an economy like today's where many skilled techs are underemployed!
  8. macrumors P6


    Mar 20, 2004
    "Between the Hedges"
    Usually such statements are made out of fear or ignorance of the Mac. My job has told me the same thing, but I've made it work in the past, sometimes with Virtual PC, sometimes through other methods. Just depends on how determined you are to make it work. They are betting that you won't be that committed and will just fall in line with the others.
  9. macrumors regular

    Mar 12, 2004
    Surrey, England
    At my university (University of Strathclyde in Glasgow, UK), the number of Mac users in negligable (in 2 years there I have seen 3 Macs: my Powerbook, a girl student's iBook and a secretary's CRT iMac). They don't do Macs: they were the first "Thinkpad University" in Europe (oh joy!).

    I have absolutely no problems using the university network, via AE or Ethernet (though Airport Extreme is much more desirable as you can get a signal outside, allowing you to sit out during rare sunny days and surf the net... though the sunshine makes the screen difficult to see :( )

    The only problem I've come across so far is that the have some weird printing system set up. You have to print to various print servers, into which you then insert a prepaid printing card, and print out your document. The system is called Pharoah, and although I've found the company's site and downloaded the relevant Mac software, no-one in the university can seem to give me any of the settings (to be honest, I just need one network address... which no-one seems to have). A typical conversation at the IT "helpdesk" goes like this:
    Me: Hiya, I wonder if you could help me set up my computer for network printing
    Person: Sure. If you just open Control Panel from the Start Menu
    Me: Actually, it's a Mac I'm using
    Person: *look of bewilderment/disdain* Oh, a Mac...
    Me: I actually just need the address of the Pharoah print server
    Person: Have you had a look at this pamphlet on setting up printing?
    Me: Yes. It only applies to Windows based computers.
    Person: Oh. *silence* (to another woman) Janice, do you know how to set up printing on a Mac?
    Janice: *inaudible*
    Person: The only address we have is this one *points to the location of the automated Windows printing script*
    Me: I've tried that already, it doesn't work.
    Person: *blank look* Sorry.
    Me: (to self) Why did I waste my time?

    I've now resorted to sending files by email to my university email account, then logging onto a Windows PC in the library and printing it out from there... But this is highly impractical when the library is busy, and there's a queue for computers. Hopefully when I go back after the summer I'll be able to get it sorted...

    So, looks like the guy was feeding your BS borne of ignorance. You'll be fine using a Mac on the university network - for ALMOST everything ;)
  10. macrumors regular

    Jun 24, 2003
    Yes, this guy is an ignorant fool. You should have little or no problem once you learn the OS. I go to NC State, and we have a large Unix/Linux system, which is great cause I got a Unix terminal built right into OSX! Haha, all those PC users have to install this awkward (and GOD is it SLOW!!) 3rd party unix emulator to login! :D
  11. macrumors 65816


    Sep 26, 2003
    This guy is just ignorant. Don't let him dissuade you from getting a Mac. You should have no problems at all. I was told the same drivel at my Uni, even though across campus they use Macs exclusively in the education and psychology depts. I have had nary a problem in my five years of undergrad and grad work. I'll be you don't either.
  12. thread starter macrumors member

    Jun 14, 2004
    MiddlaNowhere, Arkansas
    Thanks for all the replys. WHat about the schools security software? Could that cause problems?


    Jess :D
  13. macrumors newbie

    Jun 14, 2004
    Yep, they're wrong

    I predict you'll have FAR fewer problems using a Mac on a "windows only" network, than by going with a windows machine.

    I use my powerbook on multiple business and university networks, as well as in hotel rooms, airports, and coffee shops and have had zero problems.
  14. macrumors regular

    Feb 21, 2004
    If the IT guys are correct (just for the sake of argument) wouldn't hooking a router up take care of the problem?
  15. macrumors G3

    Chip NoVaMac

    Dec 25, 2003
    Northern Virginia
    Actually it may be to ease tech support calls (how ever blind these people may be).

    I am running into the same thing at work. And all I want in access to the DSL internet line and the mail server. Our web-mistress is still forced to have a PC to access the internal programs and "officially" the email. I might be able to get her to "help" me get around the issues that they have.
  16. macrumors 68020


    Jul 6, 2003
    Los Angeles
    I got that same song and dance at work a couple months ago. Over the weekend they finished wiring my building so I came in Monday morning and plugged in my iBook then started sending my email though the MS Exchange server, accessing network drives and printers, and (of course) surfing the internet. Around 11:00 the head of IT came around to tell me he would have to order me a PC because my Mac isn't compatible with the network. I asked him what the incompatibility was and he (with no details and a shakey voice) said I couldn't access the server. I told him I had done it already. Then he changed his story and told me that I couldn't access "all the features." I asked what I'd be missing on the Mac and he told me he'd get me a PC as fast as he could. A month later my PC arrived and I couldn't even use it. The Mac did everything better. The PC got marginally better when I started booting it off of a Knoppix CD.

    Fear, spite, ignorance--these are the general reasons behind anything an IT guy tells you about your evil Mac.
  17. macrumors 601


    Aug 19, 2003
    Manila - Nottingham - Philadelphia - Santa Barbar
    The official stand of my uni on macs is they arent supported on the network. But i dont want to use novell anyway so all i need is access to the net. Your mac can do that for sure, but it probably cant get novell unless you buy the mac client for it.
  18. macrumors regular


    Mar 26, 2004
    Little Rock, AR
    goodknight411: UCA tried to tell my friend the same thing. They kept telling him that a Mac wouldn't work on their network etc. He had already bought his 15" powerbook and was pretty worried, so he kept calling and finally spoke to one of the head IT guys there who told him that about 50% of the staff uses macs and about 35% of the student body and he would be fine, so i would imagine you should be too.
  19. Moderator emeritus


    Jan 9, 2004
    Grand Rapids, MI, USA
    Well, so this is some kind of extension campus up in the hills, right? Do you take extension courses where you have to do realtime video or something with the people down in the valley? :)

    How specific are the PC requirements? I guess if they tell everyone, get EXACTLY THIS PC in THIS CONFIGURATION and then flash the hard drive with exactly their administered software to make some kind of special link work, then its understandable from their standpoint.

    If they're just asking you to do Office/e-Mail/Web etc, then I agree with everyone else.
  20. macrumors 68030

    Les Kern

    Apr 26, 2002
    Job security. If they "allowed" Macs, the liar would be out of work. I'm a tech director, and I've run into this a lot in my life. I've had consultants plain-out lie to me: "You can't get that data off this Novell machine", Macs can't get on the internet here.", "You'll have trouble printing.", "You won't be able to share documents." I've heard it all. One day a guy lied to me, I called him on and proved him wrong, and told him he was to leave immediately. The profit margin on PC's is HUGE compared to Mac, so I've had companies come in and almost BEG me to switch. I ask them why, and EXACTLY why. Every point they make is shot down mostly without comment. One time I just lost it, and said something like: "You want my business, and want it so bad you'd be willing to send me down your path when it's clear we are a Mac shop, that all of our users are Mac users, that our students are Mac users, that all of our training has been in Macs, all of our resourses are Mac-centric, but you don't seem to address the impact. That leads me to believe you don't care, and a buck is a buck to you. Get out". That was a few years ago, before Macs became (now) probably the best path that any reasonable person can take. This year I did THIS, 630K worth of Macs. That's one damn building.
    If you want the Mac, get it. We will help you ROCK at that college, then you can go to the liar and say "My Mac works fine...How do you justify your existence?"
  21. thread starter macrumors member

    Jun 14, 2004
    MiddlaNowhere, Arkansas
    The computer requirements are pretty general. The website even has mac requirements listed, so i don't think that will be a problem.
  22. macrumors 6502a


    Sep 8, 2003
    Just for fun I checked out your school's website and found the system requirements for online classes it seems odd that they would support Mac for that and then tell you cannot use on on their network (which makes even less sense).
    I would guess that their IT guy has no Mac experience so he has no idea what he is talking about.
  23. macrumors 65816


    Nov 30, 2003
    no one can tell you what kind of computer you have to use. thats so ridiculous that its insane! the guy actually freaked out? internet will work 100% for sure. I don't know anything about networking though but I know you can easily network to pc's with panther.
  24. macrumors 601


    Aug 9, 2002
    PC users grow up being taught "Mac is an incompatible platform full of proprietary formats". This is infact just not true; it is all just propoganda to maintain Windows' marketshare.
  25. macrumors 6502a


    Sep 8, 2003
    I don't even think it is as intentional as you make it sound, also I think Apple has to take some of the blame for not playing up just how compatible Macs are.

    I think for the most part it is simple ignorance on the part of PC users. What is sad is how many IT people think it is true.

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