New Apple TV, More Like the Prequel

Discussion in 'Apple TV and Home Theater' started by BlackMangoTree, Oct 17, 2010.

  1. macrumors 6502a

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    No Movies or Tv shows within folders.

    When selecting a genre under music and select all albums it displays the whole entire library no just from that genre.

    No date shown in the Music metat data or comments displayed.

    No itunes or Movie Extras.

    Subtitles don't work on movies with a resolution higher than 1200.

    Can't select the output resolution.

    Air Speakers has vanished.

    These things need to fixed as of yesterday.

    Im seriously pissed off that it's such a huge step backwards over the original.
     
  2. macrumors member

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    Guess you shouldn't buy it then. Aren't you glad you did your research before purchasing this product? Imagine if you bought it before knowing you wouldn't like it!
     
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    LouieSamman

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    Want to know the reason?

    The Apple TV is smaller and it's more of a streaming service now so many options and extras that was in the first Apple TV has vanished.

    Updates are needed and we will see a gradual uprise in the software.

    I personally love it and don't need all that, maybe because I never owned the 1st gen Apple TV.

    I am only waiting for an update to introduce apps on the Apple TV to take it beyond.
     
  4. thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    One would expect the features of the original to be carried over.

    Why would any company make an inferior product? and called it version 2. it's more like version 0.5

    There is no way in the world any owner of the original can like the new model better, i can't see one thing it does better, Maybe netflix, and thats only useful to the U.S
     
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    LouieSamman

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    They like to switch from the first gen to the 2nd one because it's smaller. No hard drive to store your movies/tv shows, just rent and buy. And for the fact that soon there is going to be apps on the device that you can download. Yeah and also Netflix, Flickr, YouTube.
     
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    jzuena

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    Its got a faster CPU. If they ever allow a Plex or even XBMC app, I would get one and move one of my aTV1's to a SDTV using the composite output patch. I use aTV as a front end to MythTV and to play DVD rips. I tried playing HD mkv files and it stutters in XBMC and Sapphire, so I wouldn't mind having one with a little more horsepower.
     
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    jaw04005

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    I'm sure all of that is coming eventually. Most of it is a limitation of iOS (AirSpeakers, iTunes Extras, etc).

    Streaming (and buffering) is drammatically better on the new Apple TV since it uses QTKit and not the old QuickTime 7 framework, and AirPlay will be a unique feature (once it actually arrives). And Jobs has pretty much said apps are coming soon.

    Porting the old Apple TV's UI to iOS had to be a big job. So, I'll withold judgement until iOS 4.2 ships for the Apple TV.

    It took three years to get the old Apple TV's software where it was when they ported it. If you're an Apple TV owner you should be used to waiting.
     
  8. macrumors 68040

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    This is due to the complete rewrite that had to occur to move it from Tiger based Quicktime 7 to iOS 4.

    I am not happy with the missing features, but I am sure a fix will be in place soon.

    The new Apple TV otherwise is MUCH better than its predecessor. Much faster, less issues.
     
  9. macrumors regular

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    I never owned an original Apple TV. They were too expensive for what they were, and I had plenty of other devices that did the same thing.

    But the Apple TV2 absolutely schools the Xbox 360/PS3 at media streaming and I'm happy for it to do just that.

    PwnageTool has other things in store for it, however, and I think that's where many potential Apple TV2 buyers were coaxed into picking one up.

    Furthermore, I invite you to point out exactly where Apple refer to the Apple TV as the Apple TV 2. Certainly not on the box, the store, or the promotional website subsection dedicated to it. It's known simply as "Apple TV." The "2" is just the communities way of differentiating it from its predecessor. They certainly didn't call it "version 2," unless you know better?
     
  10. thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    The user interface i could put up with until it's slowly made better with updates.

    The video stuttering that us Pal countries are experiencing is not aceptable.

    The #1 point of this device is to playback video and it does a poor job.
     
  11. macrumors 68000

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    I hope you submitted this list to apple.com/feedback.
     
  12. thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    More than once i have sent feedback.
     
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    Surf Monkey

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    So, your backup plan is to troll this board?
     
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    steviem

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    To be fair, all I'm not liking about the Apple TV so far are the following:

    -No RCA audio out - This is more a complaint at myself and the poor audio on my hdmi monitor, I'll probably get an HDMI AV receiver to fix this.
    -TV Shows should be sorted so you can click into them and look at the seasons, but this appears to be a problem that is in iTunes too.
    -No Volume Control - But this is a problem with my Monitor...

    i really am enjoying the Apple TV so far. I liked the original, but I wasn't prepared to spend the amount Apple asked for. £99 is that magical number for a purchase, it's where games consoles go to as they are reaching saturation.

    Hopefully apps will appear, I'm watching ESPN Gamecast on my 2nd monitor right now and I would really love to pay for an NFL App that streams my teams game and lets me see the scores of the other games in progress.

    It was enough for me to sell my PS3!
     
  15. macrumors 6502a

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    I also hate that the "In Theaters" under movies shows them all alphabetically instead of most recent first, unless I am missing something.
     
  16. macrumors 68000

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    Actually, the CPU in the ATV1 is computationally more powerful than the 1GHz A4 processor that is rumored to be used in the ATV2. Here is a link from another thread which provides some details on this situation.

    http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=11239740&postcount=22
     
  17. macrumors 6502a

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    Ridiculous that iTunes LP and Extras aren't supported out of the box, but I'm sure its coming soon.

    Airplay will remedy the remote speakers, it should come when the next update to iOS 4 is released next month. This WILL be an upgrade, because it will work with audio AND video.

    I feel it's a decent upgrade. I consider it a decent improvement over the first-gen, even if a bit imperfect.
     
  18. macrumors regular

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    ^Couldn't agree more.

    I love my new Apple TV and I plan to get one for every TV in my house. This version most definitely will have more mass appeal. I can't wait until AirPlay for iOS and for a possible App Store.
     
  19. thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    One would think that Apple would add additional features not take them away.

    If you look around you can by the Original 160gb Apple TV for the same price as the new one. It's superior in every way.
     
  20. thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    How so ? what does it actually do that the original can't ?

    All i can see is missing features from the original.
     
  21. macrumors 68000

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    There won't be any future software upgrades or new features for the original.

    I think it depends on how you are using it. Most of the things you've listed are software changes that are easily added or fixed. The entire interface had to be rewritten for iOS, so I expect it will improve rather quickly.
     
  22. macrumors regular

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    I'd disagree. The original cannot stream Netflix, will not support AirPlay, it is larger/louder/consumes more power and will no longer be issued software updates.

    I understand that you are disappointed, but I don't think it's fair to say it's a lesser product. For me it's a better product for the things mentioned above as well as the future possibilities with an iOS based TV device.
     
  23. thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    Airplay we have no idea how it's going to change anything. So one can't say wait till that comes.

    To remove AirSpeakers was criminal.

    NextFix the only added feature that 99% of the world can't use.

    It used to be great to buy Movies Tv Shows & Music from the Apple TV, now i can't do that. I have to do everything from the Computer.

    In Australia we can't rent Tv shows, i was happy buying them now i can't.

    Movie rental prices here are so high i might as well buy the movie, i can't do that anymore. Same with music.

    I was watching a movie the other night and my modem re synced loosing the connection for a minuet and the Apple TV lost connection to my Shared Library. This surely can't be the case ? No internet one can't watch stream anything ?
     
  24. macrumors 6502a

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    I am not at all surprised that Airspeakers isn't featured due to the differences in what the new Apple TV does compared to the old one.

    As there is no content on the Apple TV, it is not the unit which will lead Airspeakers. Using the remote App, you can now stream from the iTunes which has the content to other speakers. It is possible when the iOS update happens we find that we can control this from an Apple TV.

    It would have been a very odd decision to spend development time on a feature which was going to be made obsolete by the first firmware update a month after the unit was released.

    Personally, having bought an Apple TV when released, knowing that a fairly major update was due so soon, I'm going to wait for that update until I start complaining about any missing features. We effectively haven't got the finished product yet. Maybe Apple should have waited for the update before releasing the unit, but then we'd have been complaining that we have got iPhones and iPads with Airplay but no Apple TV to use them with.
     
  25. thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    I agree with you, in the future the APple TV 2 will turn out to be superior than the original.

    I agree with that they should of held it back until it at least had the same functionality as the original.

    Lucky i kept my original so the wait till the update start coming it wont be painful.
     

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